Politically Incorrect: Gay Marriage

[Joeiss]

In Canada it is allready legal, so I don't see what the big deal is.

[GiMpY-wAnNaBe]

Originally Posted by Joeiss

In Canada it is allready legal, so I don't see what the big deal is.

exactly, and marijuana is next on the list , right now its decriminalized and soon to be legaized, tee hee, once its legalized, where do you think all the amercians are gonna go for cottage trips?

[TheGame]

lol... I don't even want to bother argueing. but...

All I know is, if it's leagalized it shouldn't be manditory for any pastor/preist to marry a couple that they don't want to. In other words, let the people who don't support it not support it, and only let the people who support it support it.

Am I against it? HELL yes... Do I want to make my case? HELL no. ()

It would just turn into an arguement that will lead nowhere.. somthing about religion, morals, where this country came from and where it's going... I've been through this crap one too many times here, and for the sake of keeping peace, I don't want to take it there again.

[Xantar]

Originally Posted by TheGame

Am I against it? HELL yes... Do I want to make my case? HELL no. ()

It would just turn into an arguement that will lead nowhere.. somthing about religion, morals, where this country came from and where it's going... I've been through this crap one too many times here, and for the sake of keeping peace, I don't want to take it there again.

I hope it's not that stupid argument where gay marriage is somehow equated to sodomy and incest. And yes, I just called that argument stupid. The counter-argument to that one is so obvious and straightforward that I won't bother to lay it out.

Originally Posted by Kitana85

Sighs I wish the 50+ year old peeps agree with you guys

Well, if the majority of us young people aren't against homosexual marriage, then there's hope yet. All we have to do is wait for all those 50+ year old peeps to die off and then the world would change.

Yeah, it's a slow process, but democracy is like that.

[TheGame]

"I hope it's not that stupid argument where gay marriage is somehow equated to sodomy and incest. And yes, I just called that argument stupid. The counter-argument to that one is so obvious and straightforward that I won't bother to lay it out."
-Mr. X-

a sin is a sin is a sin... period.

Also, thanks for calling my arguement stupid... I mean, you completly know how a gay person's mind works, right? Plus you know how incest people think too right? It's completly different right? Can't argue with that...

honestly, I don't give a damn what you think.

I'd accept a brother being married to is sister before I'd accept any type of gay union. In the end, they are just hurting themselves. Just one more step in the wrong direction.

But anyway... the way I see it, a sin is a sin, is a sin. What's right is right, and what's wrong is wrong. Most people can tell the difference, some can't. I think Gay people can't.

This is just what I believe, you can question it all you want, but you can't change it.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by TheGame

"I hope it's not that stupid argument where gay marriage is somehow equated to sodomy and incest. And yes, I just called that argument stupid. The counter-argument to that one is so obvious and straightforward that I won't bother to lay it out."
-Mr. X-

a sin is a sin is a sin... period.

Also, thanks for calling my arguement stupid... I mean, you completly know how a gay person's mind works, right? Plus you know how incest people think too right? It's completly different right? Can't argue with that...

honestly, I don't give a damn what you think.

I'd accept a brother being married to is sister before I'd accept any type of gay union. In the end, they are just hurting themselves. Just one more step in the wrong direction.

But anyway... the way I see it, a sin is a sin, is a sin. What's right is right, and what's wrong is wrong. Most people can tell the difference, some can't. I think Gay people can't.

This is just what I believe, you can question it all you want, but you can't change it.

Lets disect this argument for a moment:

1) We live in a secular society, not a religious one. Your religious ideals of "sin" based on the bible have nothing to do with whether or not it should be legal under out constitution.

2) Ok, how does being gay equate to incest? And lets try to not make too much of a stretch here when you attempt to explain.

3) You ask us if we know whats going on in a gay person's mind. Well, do you? Didn't think so. In fact most modern evidence suggests that gay people are born that way. Wait a second... aren't all men created in God's image???? GOD'S A BI-SEXUAL!!!!! Mind blowing...

Also, if you are going to attempt to back up the legal aspects of why gay marriage should be banned, lets keep religion out of it, as it has no place in our government. I'm interested in your non-religious arguments.

As for religious arguments, if all men are made with free will according to the bible, why should we make gay marriage illegal considering it doesn't HURT ANYONE? Isn't it up to God to make that judgement when they die? I also remember something about "judging" in the bible too, and how we humans shouldn't do it.

[Bond]

Well, lets separate this.

I was talking about legalizing gay marriage. Justin's only case right now is a religious one, which would obviously not hold up.

If we are talking about accepting gays into the Christian or whichever Church then he does have a religious argument.

Although both of his arguments are wrong because he turned down by McNair/Favre trade.

By the way, does anyone see Church attendance going way down in the near future?

[TheGame]

Originally Posted by The Strangler

Lets disect this argument for a moment:

1) We live in a secular society, not a religious one. Your religious ideals of "sin" based on the bible have nothing to do with whether or not it should be legal under out constitution.

2) Ok, how does being gay equate to incest? And lets try to not make too much of a stretch here when you attempt to explain.

3) You ask us if we know whats going on in a gay person's mind. Well, do you? Didn't think so. In fact most modern evidence suggests that gay people are born that way. Wait a second... aren't all men created in God's image???? GOD'S A BI-SEXUAL!!!!! Mind blowing...

Also, if you are going to attempt to back up the legal aspects of why gay marriage should be banned, lets keep religion out of it, as it has no place in our government. I'm interested in your non-religious arguments.

As for religious arguments, if all men are made with free will according to the bible, why should we make gay marriage illegal considering it doesn't HURT ANYONE? Isn't it up to God to make that judgement when they die? I also remember something about "judging" in the bible too, and how we humans shouldn't do it.

lol... read my other arguements for 'religios' answers.

As for non-religious reasons to make it illegal, I have nothing against it... my whole bias is based religion. I have hinted at it many times in this thread, but I would like to make it clear.

Game, say the tables are turned. Say being gay is the norm both socially and religiously. But you're born heterosexual and have absolutely no attraction to other men and even find it disgusting. So, knowing this, you would never EVER take a woman as your wife or see one romantically? You would never have sex with a woman or have act on your erotic thoughts?

lol... of course I would still be who I am... But this is a 'what if' question that holds no water in a arguement. If the only way to have babies remained the same, I would use that as my arguement to jutify my actions as more than just a sexual desire.

A better question would have been: what if I woke up tomorrow morning and I was a girl. Keeping all my same thoughs about women. In that case I would have to chose between my faith and my fleshly desire.... and that would be a ****ed up situation...

What I would do is simply never be married, and pray about it... if I had to chose between going to hell and having sex with women, I would never touch a girl again, and just never be attracted to a guy.

-EDIT- had to make this more clear

I would not have any sexual relationship of any type with anybody.

[gekko]

Originally Posted by TheGame

I'd accept a brother being married to is sister before I'd accept any type of gay union.

Which the US does allow if one of the siblings is adopted.

[GiMpY-wAnNaBe]

how can you accept siblings getting married before gays??? if siblings get married and they have children odds are their gonna have eleven toes, or some other genetic mutation. What happens when two gay ppl get married? nothing! their just with the person they want to be with, nothing more, that and they get the benefits from the government for being married, who does that hurt??? how does that affect YOU???

[Joeiss]

Originally Posted by GiMpY-wAnNaBe

exactly, and marijuana is next on the list , right now its decriminalized and soon to be legaized, tee hee, once its legalized, where do you think all the amercians are gonna go for cottage trips?

We will probably decriminalize it... But not legalize it. If we did, then we would be kicked out of the UN!

[Dylflon]

We're not arguing about gay marriage. We're discussing it. And marijuana won't be legalized. They just won't arrest you for having it.

[Vampyr]

Originally Posted by the game

a sin is a sin is a sin... period.

Also, thanks for calling my arguement stupid... I mean, you completly know how a gay person's mind works, right? Plus you know how incest people think too right? It's completly different right? Can't argue with that...

honestly, I don't give a damn what you think.

I'd accept a brother being married to is sister before I'd accept any type of gay union. In the end, they are just hurting themselves. Just one more step in the wrong direction.

But anyway... the way I see it, a sin is a sin, is a sin. What's right is right, and what's wrong is wrong. Most people can tell the difference, some can't. I think Gay people can't.

This is just what I believe, you can question it all you want, but you can't change it.

What, no shades of gray? If wrong is wrong, as you say, and right is right, then why would you except a brother marrying his sister before you would a guy marrying another guy? They are both wrong, according to the christain religon. A sin is a sin, is a sin, right? You can preach to them all you want, you have that right. Its one of the goals of Christains, to convert the entire world. But in the end, the choice is theirs.

You mentioned that they are just hurting themselves, and that they cant tell the difference between right and wrong. They're gay, not stupid. If they dont see anything wrong with being gay, then fine. If they are condeming themselves to Hell or whatever, than thats their choice too.

I realize I cant change your mind, but this is just what I believe, you can question it all you want, but you can't change it.

[TheGame]

Originally Posted by Vampyr

What, no shades of gray? If wrong is wrong, as you say, and right is right, then why would you except a brother marrying his sister before you would a guy marrying another guy? They are both wrong, according to the christain religon. A sin is a sin, is a sin, right? You can preach to them all you want, you have that right. Its one of the goals of Christains, to convert the entire world. But in the end, the choice is theirs.

lol... have pretty much read the whole Bible... and I can't quite remember it saying brother/sister relationships are wrong. (Maybe just don't remember?)

You mentioned that they are just hurting themselves, and that they cant tell the difference between right and wrong. They're gay, not stupid. If they dont see anything wrong with being gay, then fine. If they are condeming themselves to Hell or whatever, than thats their choice too.

I never said that it isn't thier choice and I didn't call them stupid. Some don't see anything wrong with stealing, killing, or commiting adultry... hell, some don't find anything wrong with letting a goat give them oral sex. I mean NOTHING wrong with it, if the law protects it or not.

Just because one can't tell the difference beween right and wrong it doesn't mean they are right. If one acted on all thier fleshly desires because in thier mind it's right, it doesn't mean it's right. right?

Now, being gay doesn't hurt anybody else, that's why I think people find it acceptable... like I said before, they are only hurting themselves.

I realize I cant change your mind, but this is just what I believe, you can question it all you want, but you can't change it.

lol, nice

[kevin]

I highly doubt that the United Nations would expel Canada for legalizing marijuana. And if you do, I'd like some of what you're smoking!

The main reason that I doubt that Canada would be expelled from the UN for legalising marijuana is because Iraq hasn't even been expelled. Nope, not after the Gulf War, and after Saddam allegedly poisoned and gassed his citizens.

Homosexual marriage is the next logical step forward for a country that prides itself on being the 'land of the free'... Why not make yourselves free-minded as well?

In my opinion a previous poster was correct when he said that a priest should not be compelled to marry anyone that he/she felt should not be married - Canada's own proposed legislation allows for that and respects religious ideals.