Politically Incorrect: Gay Marriage - Page 5

Bond · 08-17-2003, 11:22 PM

Strangler,

I did some research on the Book of Enoch and from what I read it sounds like it was originally its own book, a very odd book in that. At least Amazon.com is selling it as an entire book...

Professor S · 08-18-2003, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Bond

Strangler,

I did some research on the Book of Enoch and from what I read it sounds like it was originally its own book, a very odd book in that. At least Amazon.com is selling it as an entire book...

Its now considered an associated text of the Bible by the Catholic church, after being banned for so many years as heresy. It was lost for a long time but a few copies turned up in Ethiopia of all places. I would also check the validity of the copies sold on Amazon. There are copies of the Necronomicon in print, but those are the fiction of H.P. Lovecraft and not the real document.

If you want more info on any other apocryphal writings or pagan beliefs and organizations I highly recommend www.occultresearch.org. Their piece on the Necronomicon is both eye opening and quite frightening.

EDIT: Here is an online copy of the Book of Enoch
http://wesley.nnu.edu/noncanon/ot/pseudo/enoch.htm

GameMaster · 08-18-2003, 07:18 PM

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]]I'm sorry GameMaster, I forgot that you prefer to use the internet to avoid thought. If you're so against political and social discussion in these forums, THEN WHY ARE YOU POSTING IN THE SPIN ZONE? Seems pretty stupid to me...

Don't hate me for being efficient.

I did the following:

1. Showed a picture of a cool car
2. Showed a picture demonstrating Photoshop effects
3. Made a point about arguing over such a controversial issue.

FissionMailed · 08-18-2003, 09:38 PM

I think most of the major points have been presented so all i'll say is i'm not against gay marriage and I feel that nobody should not be allowed to be married for being gay. Also on the subject of the book of enoch and it's removal from the bible by the catholic religion, I think you should all read a book called: The Da Vinci Code, it expains alot about the catholic religions removal of certain parts of the bible.

Professor S · 08-18-2003, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by GameMaster

Don't hate me for being efficient.

I did the following:

1. Showed a picture of a cool car
2. Showed a picture demonstrating Photoshop effects
3. Made a point about arguing over such a controversial issue.

...In a forum intended for arguing over just those topics, in a thread specifically intended to discuss the issue. Great job there, Plato. Discussion outside of video games isn't always pointless, and can often be enlightening. You should try it sometime.

GameMaster · 08-18-2003, 11:15 PM

Your cruel words hit me like spears of hatred.

Bond · 08-18-2003, 11:17 PM

Professor S · 08-19-2003, 08:36 AM

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Your cruel words hit me like spears of hatred.

Hatred? No. Just a little advice for character development.

And yes, Bond, I too love the syrupy sweet buzz of Mountain Dew.

GameMaster · 08-19-2003, 12:36 PM

If I become a better character can we be allies again?

Professor S · 08-19-2003, 12:55 PM

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If I become a better character can we be allies again?

Well I wouldn't go THAT far...

If you don't like debating over social and political issues, then DON'T say anything in the forum that is intended for just such discussion. When you do, you sound like a contrarian who contributes nothing to the debate and just likes to read his own posts.

TheSlyMoogle · 08-20-2003, 09:02 PM

True story time.

I first encountered gay people when I started High school. There were a few openly gay people around. I never tried to talk to them, it was super scary. I had always been told that gay people were really bad. My parents are super prejudice.

So when I started working at McDonald's I had to work with 3 gay people. At first I was a little freaked out. But once I got to know them they were okay. Well two of them, One is a super jerk. Anyway, the point is, they're human beings just like us. And just like us straight people they too can feel love. So why shouldn't they be allowed to get married? Just like straight people they could take they're love to the ultimate point, marriage. I feel bad for some of the devout religious people that are posting in this thread. They don't really know what they are talking about. And as far as gay people being worthless because they can't reproduce, I don't see where that matters? People are always useful no matter if they can reproduce or not. So people make you burgers and some pump your gas, some save your butt from lawsuits, and some help you with your stock options. Gay people are everywhere. I don't think they should have to suffer all this abuse, I don't think they should have to suffer a war-monger like G.Dubya telling them they can't get married. What the heck does he know, that retard can barely read.

Now I'm not gay myself, but I wouldn't go as far to say that it's impossible to fall in love with another man. If something like that was to happen, it would happen. I'm not close-minded enough to close so many doors opened to me.

I hate Christianity. If any religion is a plague upon humanity, it's christianity and any branches of it. It makes me so angry to think of all the things that christianity has screwed up over the years. Instead of worrying over things like same sex marriages we should worry about all the people who die everyday because of religion and all the stupid things it does to people. How could someone believe in something so unrealistic as god? How could someone take another's life in the name of Allah, or in the name of God? So much hate in this world is caused by religion.

Bond · 08-20-2003, 09:08 PM

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a war-monger like G.Dubya telling them they can't get married. What the heck does he know, that retard can barely read.

Post... was... going... so... well...

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Originally Posted by TheSlyMoogle

I hate Christianity. If any religion is a plague upon humanity, it's christianity and any branches of it. It makes me so angry to think of all the things that christianity has screwed up over the years. Instead of worrying over things like same sex marriages we should worry about all the people who die everyday because of religion and all the stupid things it does to people. How could someone believe in something so unrealistic as god? How could someone take another's life in the name of Allah, or in the name of God? So much hate in this world is caused by religion.

I wouldn't say that Christianity is a plague upon humanity, that is rather extreme. Christians have done many good things throughout the years. But just as every human organization they are corrupt. And a concept of a God is not an unrealistic one, considering we do not know what is realistic.

If there ever was a peaceful religion it would have to be Buddhism. I'm not such which religion is factually the most violent. I would guess it would be Muslims or Christians.

Professor S · 08-20-2003, 09:36 PM

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I'm not close-minded enough to close so many doors opened to me.

And then you wrote this...

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How could someone believe in something so unrealistic as god? How could someone take another's life in the name of Allah, or in the name of God? So much hate in this world is caused by religion.

Way to close all those doors you say you like to keep open. Has Christianity only done good in this world? There was the Spanish Inquisition, Salem Witch Trials and Witch Hunts, Crusades, etc. But what you don't read so much about in history books is all the good it has done, such as feeding millions of starving people, almost endless public service and charity and the fact that ALL of our morals stem from Christianity, whether you believe in God or not. It was Christian morals that led to the end of slavery. Most Pagan religions saw nothing wrong with it.

I may not be a Christian, but I have brains enough to recognize that Christianity has done far more good than evil in this world.

Stonecutter · 08-20-2003, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSlyMoogle

I hate Christianity. If any religion is a plague upon humanity, it's christianity and any branches of it. It makes me so angry to think of all the things that christianity has screwed up over the years. Instead of worrying over things like same sex marriages we should worry about all the people who die everyday because of religion and all the stupid things it does to people. How could someone believe in something so unrealistic as god? How could someone take another's life in the name of Allah, or in the name of God? So much hate in this world is caused by religion.

Sir, I salute you

Take a ****ing bow.

yes, I realize the irony in my "bowing down" to him after applauding him for decrying religion

playa_playa · 08-21-2003, 12:45 AM

I'm dismayed to find that there have been no compelling or cogent arguments against gay marriages in this thread. And before any logic-bereft individual accuses me of being homophobic, let me just say that I have no stance on the issue. But as things stand, there are sound reasons for the government to oppose the legalization of gay marriages.

Changing norms in a society invariably presents a predicament. That is, until the norm in question has been determined to be evil or inhumane, there is no sound justification to change it. Why should there be? Many people oppose the right to bear arms. The reason that the second amendment has not been declared unconstitutional, however, is the fact that there has been no clinching evidence that it is somehow evil, inhumane, unconstitutional, or unjust.

Gay marriages present a similar question: do we have a justification to change the existing laws (therefore, changing the societal norms) in favor of gay marriage? Well, would that decision not depend on whether being gay is absolutely intrinsic? In other words, what if it's the case that homosexuality is strictly a learned behavior? That, noone is born gay, but are conditioned to be gay through trauma, accidents or etc (I'm not advocating that such is the case with homosexuality; I'm just asking why should the laws be changed if this were the case)? And in which case, the person could be reconditioned to be straight? Societies do not and should not change its norms to cater to those that are deviant to them. It should be the other way around. After all, do we not tell drug addicts that although they are clinically addicted, they should still seek help and become sober (thereby being readmitted to the society's norms)?

As far as I've been paying attention, there has been no absolute evidence that there is a "gay gene" or that there is some hereditary condition that forces a person to be homosexual. And until that datum is ascertained, do you not think that we should reserve our judgement intent on changing our laws and norms? Most of you, obviously, do not think so. Since most of you for gay marriages seem to think that "being gay is pretty much hereditary (nice evidence!)" it is the case that homosexuality is intrinsic. Well, show me some data to support that. Last time I checked, not even the human genome project has been able to accomplish this.

It's a very, very simple inference. Seriously, just because a lot of people start saying that marrying animals (this has happened already), your family members, inanimate objects or what have you should be legal, does that mean we should change the laws to cater them? I mean, when does it stop?