Politically Incorrect: Gay Marriage

[Crono]

Originally Posted by TheGame

If you want to throw morals out of the window, guess it's ok for a 13 year old girl to have sex with a 50 year old man as long as they are married right? They aren't hurting you, right?

I think if there were no morals in law, I should be able to walk down the street with a shogun asking people for money, as long as I don't point the gun at thier head and give them the freedom to say no, it's ok right? Innocent until proven guilty, right?

I also guess I should be able to walk outside naked and whack off while women walk past me right? Like you said, waiving a fist in your face but not hitting you?

Laws that protect against this stuff are based off of morality... man should have freedom, but not that much. Morality is what keeps society from breaking down, and I think it has little to nothing to do with religion.

Society already is low. Excessive drugs, alcohol, gangs, and so on. If anything, society will eventually "break down" with or without gay marriages. That's the way I see it.

Now, I'm talking morality in general, not just on the gay marrage subject. I don't think that gay people should be allowed the same rights because we don't know if this is just a weird non-genetic sexual preference that is getting out of hand or not.

I don't see any good reasons to let hem be married, not only from a religios stand point, but from a Scientific and Social standpoint. I mean, it's not like they can't change who they are to fit in. This is FAR different from giving black people rights... because they can't change thier skin color, or even hide it no matter what they do. If it was as easy as lying and saying they are white, they would have just to fit in, but they couldn't.

Keep in mind that most "true" gays do no choose to be gay. The chemicals in your brain can make you attractive to the same sex, and not the opposite. And why would a person want to lie to fit in? Who would want to live a life of lies? Maybe you should try it out. To lie in order to "fit in" really isn't fitting in at all.

Gay people don't have a sign on thier head saying that they are gay unless they want to. Some people who 'act' gay are some of the most homophobic people I have met in my life.

But, I guess what I'm trying to say is, gay marrage is just pushing it. Straight marrage should be supported because without a man and a woman having sex and producing children, NONE of us would be here. But gay marrage is a whole different thing... they can love each-other but why should it be protected by law? Is same sex marrage really going to help anything? All I can see it doing is pissing a bunch of people off.

I don't understand how gay marriages can piss people off. What would cause you to be pissed off at gay marriages? Jealousy? That's the only thing I can think of. Like Strangler said, it only effects the gay people and not the straight. I don't see how straight people can be pissed off over the fact that other people are receiving the same freedom as them.

[TheGame]

Keep in mind that most "true" gays do no choose to be gay. People can be born gay. The chemicals in your brain can make you attractive to the same sex, and not the opposite. And why would a person want to lie to fit in? Who would want to live a life of lies? Maybe you should try it out. To lie in order to "fit in" really isn't fitting in at all.

You have skipped the last 15 posts right? Just because the chemicals in your brain tell you to do somthing, it doesn't mean it's right. People can be born with brain desieses.

Also, besides that... where is the proof? People are walking around this thread saying people are born gay, but I do't ever remember reading anything in my science book at school defending this.

I don't think people are born gay or straight... how are you supposed to know if you are sexually attracted to anybody before you even know what sex is and before you have a sex drive? You learn to like things, you aren't born that way.

Depending on where you were born and how you were raised, you grow up to be a different person. Until there is solid proof that being gay is genetic, It shouldn't be treated the same. Right now, they are very accepted in society, and thier rights to live are just as good as anybody else's. So why take it tothe next level before we even know if they are really born gay?

As for the lie part... what I meant by that is they could change who they are and act differently and be accepted even more. It's not like we are treating them inhumane, like they are a lower form of life because of somthing they can change. Gay people don't even have to lie, they can be who they are and thier rights are protected. I was taking a shot at people who were comparing his to holding down a race of people... because it's diferent, far different.

When born black there was nothing they could do to change thier social status, and there was no way out of them having less rights... no matter what they said or did, because the fact is they were stil black. Laws to protect those birth rights are acceptable... because they didn't chose to bewhat they were and thier actions had no effect on how people viewed them.

People who don't like gay people don't like them for an action they made, not for how they look. It's all about who you are on the inside.

I think people being pissed at gay marrages is about the same as people who are against smokeing and drinkng... they are pised becausesombody is doing somthing they personally don't approve of.

Have you ever met a gay person who doesn't approve of man and woman relationships? There may be some, but for the most part they all approve of it because they wouldn't be there in the first place if it wasn't for thier mom and dad.

It's a fundemental truth of life, ittakes a man and a woman to havekida and make the world progress... if it wasn't for one there wouldn't be the other. That's why that is protected under law... now I can't think of a reason een close to that big why gay marage should be protectedunder the law.

[Crono]

Ah, well, these debates can never end. I can tell you that I am straight and if gay marriage is legalized, it will not bother me at all. Actually, gay marriage was just legalized here. I don't see how it affects other straight people's lives, though. I don't approve a lot of things, but they don't affect my personal/social life.

Too bad, if this weren't a democracy this would have been solved by now...

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[Professor S]

Originally Posted by TheGame

You have skipped the last 15 posts right? Just because the chemicals in your brain tell you to do somthing, it doesn't mean it's right. People can be born with brain desieses.

Yes, and we protect those that have brain diseases. We don't treat them as less than.

Also, besides that... where is the proof? People are walking around this thread saying people are born gay, but I do't ever remember reading anything in my science book at school defending this.

I also don't remember reading anything in a science book about homosexuality being a learned behavior. You are arguing with a double edged sword. But I guess we should all just ASSUME its learned and ban it. Even if it is learned, WHO CARES. THEY AREN'T ****ING YOU!!

I don't think people are born gay or straight... how are you supposed to know if you are sexually attracted to anybody before you even know what sex is and before you have a sex drive? You learn to like things, you aren't born that way.

Right... thats why all homosexuals are born in STRAIGHT families.

Depending on where you were born and how you were raised, you grow up to be a different person. Until there is solid proof that being gay is genetic, It shouldn't be treated the same. Right now, they are very accepted in society, and thier rights to live are just as good as anybody else's.

No, they're not. The fact that straight people can get married and homosexuals can't is a perfect example of how their rights are not the same as ours.

the lie part... what I meant by that is they could change who they are and act differently and be accepted even more. It's not like we are treating them inhumane, like they are a lower form of life because of somthing they can change. Gay people don't even have to lie, they can be who they are and thier rights are protected. I was taking a shot at people who were comparing his to holding down a race of people... because it's diferent, far different.

You could say that denying someone their right to free speech isn't "inhumane" either. Its only unjust and a violation or our rights. Also, I think you are underestimating how much our sexiuality denines us as people. We often take it for granted because we are the norm. The media, religion and societ constantly remind gay people that they are inferior and "freaks". Take a walk in their shoes before proclaiming how fairly they are treated.

When born black there was nothing they could do to change thier social status, and there was no way out of them having less rights... no matter what they said or did, because the fact is they were stil black. Laws to protect those birth rights are acceptable... because they didn't chose to bewhat they were and thier actions had no effect on how people viewed them.

People who don't like gay people don't like them for an action they made, not for how they look. It's all about who you are on the inside.

So, the fact that they are gay on the inside should deny them rights? Wow, thats a completely new form of discrimination.

I think people being pissed at gay marrages is about the same as people who are against smokeing and drinkng... they are pised becausesombody is doing somthing they personally don't approve of.

Have you ever met a gay person who doesn't approve of man and woman relationships? There may be some, but for the most part they all approve of it because they wouldn't be there in the first place if it wasn't for thier mom and dad.

And as I stated earlier, its what has been forced into their skulls since they were small children.

It's a fundemental truth of life, ittakes a man and a woman to havekida and make the world progress... if it wasn't for one there wouldn't be the other. That's why that is protected under law... now I can't think of a reason een close to that big why gay marage should be protectedunder the law.

Yes, and we are quickly becoming overcrowded as a planet. The estimated point when we will have as many people dying as being born is 11 Billion. We are already over 5 Billion and we have gone up several billion in just the past decade. Maybe thins is natures way of evening the playing field because we're popping out too many kids? The point is WE DON'T KNOW. We should give the benefit of the doubt, instead of assuming the worst and doing whatever we can to maintain class systems and oppress others.

Homosexuals in no way affect what we as straight people do or affect out freedoms in any way. Therefore we have no right to tell them what they can or can't do outside of our own laws. Its as simple as that.

As for the moral argument you made, don't be silly. I was referring to decisions made by grown adults, and not those that would affect children. As I stated many times in many ways, the law should protect OTHERS and not try and tell poeple what they can or can't do if those actions basically affect only themselves.

And I'll ask you same question I asked playa: If we live in a secular society, but base laws on morals that are derived from religion, and each religion has different morals, then which set of morals will we choose? Any way you slice it, you will be excluding the rights of other religions whose morals that do not agree with yours. Morals are relative.

[Bond]

Alright, we've really grinded this topic into the ground. We've heard all of the basic viewpoints.

And Justin, don't do what I know you're thinking about doing.

[TheGame]

Originally Posted by Bond

And Justin, don't do what I know you're thinking about doing.

Ok, I won't... I mean... um...

























(I'm assuming you mean replying to Strangler's post... not the thread )