The Purse

TheGame · 08-30-2003, 08:20 AM

I expected Ps2 to fail because of all the Nintendo fanboy propaganda. Plus the fact that no system in history that was hard to develop for won in thier generation. Ps2's launch was widely criticized too, both japanese and US.

As for Null... I think PC's better version doesn't make up for the 2 year head start of the Xbox version. It's almost like Sonic DX vs Sonic Adventure for Dreamcast.

But some of the points you were argueing were after this:

"Also, as far as Cube and Xbox goes head up... take Ps2 out as a factor and Xbox is better by far. Online Play, Sega Sports 2k4, and MGS2 would kinda be exclusive if it wasn't for Ps2. Cube is good but lacks variety. Cube definently has more killer apps (IMO) but I wouldn't buy it as a stand-alone system because I love my Racing, Sports, and fighting games."

When I say head up, I mean factor Ps2 and PC out, if you had to get ONE of the two and just stick with ONE, which one do feel is the better buy?

I think that Cube has more killer apps... but it's stil not good enough all around to match Xbox, for my tastes at least. Plus right now I wold be dying to play an online game... somthing Cube doesn't offer.

Cube is a better support system for Ps2, I mean, just an Xbox and Ps2 doesn't mix very well. But stand alone? Cube is garbage, that's why I think it's sales stink so bad.

Null · 08-30-2003, 11:19 AM

yea, if Xbox and Cube were the only 2 game consoles in existance, i'd still go with cube. As i said, the exclusives mean more to me then the other games. Even tho Nintendo is screwing up in many area's (not going online being a major one) thier exclusives are still good.
Xbox is still around. that in itself is more then i expected. (altho i cant say i personally see why). And cube i expected not to beat Sony out, but to close the gap a bit.... And it looks like they instead made the gap further apart.

As for the PC having the better version not making up for it being late. Thats true, but as i said. While Halo is very easily the best Console FPS, Its not going to be anywhere near the best PC FPS, PC Users are in no rush or worry to get it. I'ts just like one drop of water in the sea of FPS's

Perfect Stu · 08-30-2003, 01:32 PM

I actually don't care how Gamecube does anymore. PS2 is more than enough for another few years, and my XBox is just a bonus.

TheGame · 08-30-2003, 04:45 PM

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yea, if Xbox and Cube were the only 2 game consoles in existance, i'd still go with cube. As i said, the exclusives mean more to me then the other games.

I dunno... I just don't think you like Xbox period

Xbox has just as many if not more exclusive games than GCN, if they are better or not is up to you. Plus Cube doesn't have an exclusive FPS, and Sega sports would be considerd MS exclusive head up right? Same with MGS2... and online play would be exclusive. (must I repeat myself so many times?)

But anyway... the list of games I would buy for Xbox if it was the only system I owned would be far bigger than Cube's, and far better IMO. I couldn't imagine owning just a cube right now... and even worse, owning just a GCN for this whole generation, I would be going insane. Not to say I wouldn't go insane with Xbox, but I would have a hell of a lot more games I like in genres I like.

Lets say I owned a Cube and an Xbox... for non-exclusive games I wouldn't want the Cube version unless it were cheaper! Cube pretty much never gets a better versiopn of a third party game than Xbox.

I could imagine living with a N64 last generation alone being better than having a cube alone this Gen.

But I'm just walking on the surface of what issues GCN has... for me at least. Cube may or may not be #3 in sales, but imo it's #3 in quality and shelf life... and by far the biggest dissapointment.

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As for the PC having the better version not making up for it being late. Thats true, but as i said. While Halo is very easily the best Console FPS, Its not going to be anywhere near the best PC FPS, PC Users are in no rush or worry to get it. I'ts just like one drop of water in the sea of FPS's

How much you wanna bet it's gonna be one of the better selling PC FPSs?

Null · 08-30-2003, 05:50 PM

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I dunno... I just don't think you like Xbox period

I don't, Theres no reason for me to, im not saying you or others shouldnt like it. But for me personally theres no reason for me to like it. It has nothing i want.

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Xbox has just as many if not more exclusive games than GCN, if they are better or not is up to you. Plus Cube doesn't have an exclusive FPS, and Sega sports would be considerd MS exclusive head up right? Same with MGS2... and online play would be exclusive. (must I repeat myself so many times?)

But, no exclusives that i want. As i already said. the only reason for buying the GC, one exclusive game..... Zelda.
Cube doesnt need an exclusive FPS IMO, I hate all Console FPS's. Controls suck. Now if i didnt have a PC, and never played PC FPS's i may not know what i would be missing and perhaps then i'd like the controls, but hard for me to imagine such so i just dont like console FPS games.
Sega sports? i couldnt care less about, IMO EA Sports is better.
online play? once again IMO... Online play for consoles right now is a joke. I expect next gen consoles will iron out many issues but for now. theres absolutly no must have for online play. have to wait and see for GT4 because i've never really played a online racer before.

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But anyway... the list of games I would buy for Xbox if it was the only system I owned would be far bigger than Cube's, and far better IMO. I couldn't imagine owning just a cube right now... and even worse, owning just a GCN for this whole generation, I would be going insane. Not to say I wouldn't go insane with Xbox, but I would have a hell of a lot more games I like in genres I like.

I agree, if i only had a choice of the 2 i would go insane. but my choice would still be GC.

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Lets say I owned a Cube and an Xbox... for non-exclusive games I wouldn't want the Cube version unless it were cheaper! Cube pretty much never gets a better versiopn of a third party game than Xbox.

i find majority of 3rd party games are same on each. but your right. if they tried to optimize them more then likely cube would get the lesser.

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How much you wanna bet it's gonna be one of the better selling PC FPSs?

Ah, you see... one of the better, yes, agreed. I never said it wouldnt be a decent good game. Because it will be, Updated graphics. bug fixes, and same Single player. Plus, a majorly redone and beefed up Online Mulitplayer. And there are many who are looking foward and waiting for it. There are many Xbox owners that have it and are droolling and waiting for that online verion for PC.
The point i was saying, is that there are just so damn many FPS on PC, it doesnt stand out as much as it did on consoles. It is not the easy King of FPS. It will not go straight to number 1. it'll be up in the top 25 FPS's or so.

It woulda done much better had they got it out much earlier. This 4th quarter that its comeing out, gives it much competition and some that greatly overshadow it. Half-Life 2, Unreal Tournament 2004, Theres even great things being said about the new one, Breed. Comparing it greatly to halo. Plus many others, coming out all in the same 4 month period.

On consoles. Halo stands out like a sore thumb and towers above the rest. On PC, It will stand out with many sore thumbs.
But it will be a great game, im not tryin to take anything away from it.

Canyarion · 08-31-2003, 08:01 AM

Ehm TheGame you're forgetting the MGS remake for the GC. Ok it's not out yet (pretty soon though?), but at least it's not a port of a PS2 game.

Nintendo should have advertised Metroid Prime better... the killer app that nobody knows about.

Crono · 08-31-2003, 08:57 AM

I haven't played my GCN in months, and probably won't play it until I get Wind Waker. So yes, you could say that I have been disappointed with the GCN, only because there hasn't been much to offer me, and a lot of Nintendo's titles have been disappointing (SMS, AC, SFA, to name a few).

Canyarion · 08-31-2003, 12:58 PM

How can Animal Crossing dissapoint you? It's a brand new concept.. unless you heard the stories from Japan and expected more from it even though you had no reference...

Bond · 08-31-2003, 01:06 PM

Animal Crossing isn't a new concept. It's a little Sims.

Crono · 08-31-2003, 02:04 PM

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How can Animal Crossing dissapoint you? It's a brand new concept.. unless you heard the stories from Japan and expected more from it even though you had no reference...

Um... let's see:
1. It's boring
2. It's boring
3. It's boring
Did I mention the game is boring? I'll admit I liked the concept but it was not executed well enough for me to be impressed. But I'll give Nintendo credit for making something new... but overall I didn't like the game.

TheGame · 09-01-2003, 04:55 AM

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Ehm TheGame you're forgetting the MGS remake for the GC. Ok it's not out yet (pretty soon though?), but at least it's not a port of a PS2 game.

bah... what's wrong with ports? If GCN would have got a port of FFX I would have used it against Xbox. I say it's better to have a killer app then not to.

As for MGS... it isn't out yet... I never said GCN can't make a turn-around

But looking at the line-ups released to this point, I prefer Xbox

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Nintendo should have advertised Metroid Prime better... the killer app that nobody knows about.

I think Metriod Prime is boring... I got it for free and took it back for store credit. It's presentation and starting story is weak, and I think that reflected on the sales a lot. Hey, it may be a good game, but it never pulled me in. I think it was advertized just fine... somthing made me pick it over Mario Party and Star Fox Adventures, and I regret that.

As for everybody else

Animal Crossing was good to me because I didn't expect crap from it... but um, seeing it win Awards and be nominated for GOTY is just shocking. It simply wasn't that good. I can see how anybody would be dissapointed by it now with all the hype it's getting.

Stonecutter · 09-01-2003, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Canyarion

Ehm TheGame you're forgetting the MGS remake for the GC. Ok it's not out yet (pretty soon though?), but at least it's not a port of a PS2 game.

Nintendo should have advertised Metroid Prime better... the killer app that nobody knows about.

No, it's not a port of the ps2 game.

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It's a remake of the psx game!