State of Israel

GameMaster · 09-03-2003, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Ginkasa

This is more than a "I just don't want to what you tell me" type thing. These people believe that the land that they're fighting over was given to them by God. This is their land. That's why they're willing to fight and die and kill for it.

*shrugs and walks away*

If they were truly faithful to God, they would accept the fact that he created all the lands, not just that plot.

The only thing causing death here is a lack of faith and stubborn minds.

Ginkasa · 09-03-2003, 07:00 PM

No... You don't get it... Its not that they believe God made that land so its their's. They believe God actually gave it to them; said "here, this is your's. I am giving it to you."

While yes, I think everyone would be better off if they just got over it and stopped fighting, mere stubborness is not why they won't do so.

*shrugs and walks away*

GameMaster · 09-03-2003, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ginkasa

No... You don't get it... Its not that they believe God made that land so its their's. They believe God actually gave it to them; said "here, this is your's. I am giving it to you."

While yes, I think everyone would be better off if they just got over it and stopped fighting, mere stubborness is not why they won't do so.

*shrugs and walks away*

Well obviously the problem here is poor organization skills. Unless someone recorded the day this event occured and witnessed the situation for themselves, then that reason is invalid and cannot be used as testimony for ownership of the land. Case dismissed.

If someone punches me in the face, and I want to press charges, I'd better hope someone besides myself witnessed the beating or else that person didn't do a thing to me. I'm sorry, but unless people stop lying, that's the way our world must work. Case closed.

Ginkasa · 09-03-2003, 07:05 PM

.... Are you being serious or are you joking? The answer decides whether I think you were an idiot for posting that or not.

*shrugs and walks away*

GameMaster · 09-03-2003, 07:08 PM

I'm serious, people can't use unwitnessed/unrecorded events as testimony for ownership of a piece of land.

Professor S · 09-03-2003, 07:16 PM

Often times peoplke wonder why Israel is so quick to use force...

Well lets see... 3000 years of persecution is a start, then they passively stood by while the holocaust happened hoping for the best, then they are given Israel and people have been trying to kill them ever since.

I'd be pretty trigger happy too.

GameMaster · 09-03-2003, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by The Strangler

Often times peoplke wonder why Israel is so quick to use force...

Well lets see... 3000 years of persecution is a start, then they passively stood by while the holocaust happened hoping for the best, then they are given Israel and people have been trying to kill them ever since.

I'd be pretty trigger happy too.

And who was granted authority to "give" land. I don't remember my parents voting for someone who would be responcible for giving and taking land from people.

Ginkasa · 09-03-2003, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GameMaster

And who was granted authority to "give" land. I don't remember my parents voting for someone who would be responcible for giving and taking land from people.

GOD!!! They both have "records" saying that God gave their people that land. Its in their scripture.

They believe the land's their's like they believe God made the universe.

*shurgs and walks away*

mickydaniels · 09-04-2003, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by The Strangler

Often times peoplke wonder why Israel is so quick to use force...

Well lets see... 3000 years of persecution is a start, then they passively stood by while the holocaust happened hoping for the best, then they are given Israel and people have been trying to kill them ever since.

I'd be pretty trigger happy too.
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Read the Koran, there are many references and passages advocating violence against infidels.

Persecution. Nobody hates someone else for no reason, you know. There's always a reason behind hatred.

Violence against infidels in the Koran. How about the Bible?
Deuteronomy 7:1-6

I haven't got time to spell it all out(classes are waiting), but it says the Jews(his chosen people) must utterly destroy the many nations around them and show no mercy. Break their altars, dash their pillars into pieces, and burn their images. If that's not violence against infidels, then I don't know what is.

Professor S · 09-04-2003, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by mickydaniels

Persecution. Nobody hates someone else for no reason, you know. There's always a reason behind hatred.

Mickey, please keep your thinly... and I mean THINLY veiled anti-semitism off of these boards. I bet you're itching to tell me why the holocaust was justified.

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Violence against infidels in the Koran. How about the Bible?
Deuteronomy 7:1-6

I haven't got time to spell it all out(classes are waiting), but it says the Jews(his chosen people) must utterly destroy the many nations around them and show no mercy. Break their altars, dash their pillars into pieces, and burn their images. If that's not violence against infidels, then I don't know what is.

If you are going to quote scripture, please QUOTE SCRIPTURE. I have no need of your version, especially from someone who thinks David Duke is a valid source of information.

GameKinG · 09-04-2003, 12:11 AM

"Unless someone recorded the day this event occured and witnessed the situation for themselves, then that reason is invalid and cannot be used as testimony for ownership of the land. Case dismissed."

I beilieve the Jews use the old testamate as their ownership documentation when God gave them the land and took it from the philistines (palistinians). Now, If your not a bible/torah (or whatever it is) goer, thats fine. Try telling the jews thats not good enough. Im not sure about muslim stuff, Im sure they were told its theirs as well.