Your Religion! - Page 4

Crono · 09-03-2003, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Vampyr

I dont go to church either. Its not required. And you dont have to do a lot of work to be a christain, actually, you dont have to do any work. If you have faith and get saved, than you go to heaven. You dont even have to go to church to be saved, you ask Jesus to save you.

Still... I have a hard time believing there is actually a God. So I'm not going to bother with any type of Religion.

GameMaster · 09-03-2003, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Crono

Still... I have a hard time believing there is actually a God. So I'm not going to bother with any type of Religion.

Is this to blame on God or you? I find your lack of faith disturbing.

According to your logic, if I don't believe in eating, I should just not bother?

I think you need to revaluate your statement there.

Vampyr · 09-03-2003, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Crono

Still... I have a hard time believing there is actually a God. So I'm not going to bother with any type of Religion.

I would still read about it and such. You might change your mind, religons are very interesting.

And gamemaster, you took him way to literally.

Crono · 09-03-2003, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by GameMaster

Is this to blame on God or you? I find your lack of faith disturbing.

According to your logic, if I don't believe in eating, I should just not bother?

I think you need to revaluate your statement there.

Hah... what is to blame? Me I suppose. But what's supposed to mean? I'm at fault for not believing in anything?

And let's say if someone didn't believing in eating (which is ridiculous), then they will just starve to death. That's common sense (you used a stupid example but oh well).

And I'm not a person who has faith... it's just who I am. Nothing has proved the existence of a God.

Basically what I'm saying is that things have been blown out of proportion over the past 2000 years, I don't want to take religion too seriosuly because the stories are distorted like I said. I'm not saying some of the events in the Bible didn't happen, just that they were exaggerated. Sure, maybe Jesus did help the sick, but that doesn't mean they were actually healed by him in a matter of seconds. And sure, maybe the water was seperated when Moses and Jews crossed the sea (actually there is scientific proof that is can happen, thanks to volcano near southern Greece, which has the capacity to make some of the most devastating erruptions in the world), but it doesn't mean God seperated the water for them. See what I'm saying? I don't have faith, and nothing in the religions is credible, therefore, there is no reason for me to follow Christianity.

GameMaster · 09-03-2003, 07:11 PM

Nothing is credible though. There is nothing in this world which we can or can't prove real.

So according to your logic again, I should just not follow or do anything, because nothing is for certain.

Vampyr · 09-03-2003, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Crono

And I'm not a person who has faith... it's just who I am. Nothing has proved the existence of a God.

Nothing can. Its all about believing the impossible.

Crono · 09-03-2003, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by GameMaster

Nothing is credible though. There is nothing in this world which we can or can't prove real.

So according to your logic again, I should just not follow or do anything, because nothing is for certain.

Ok, like Vampyr said you are taking me way too literally. We're talking Religion here (which has no value to me), not things in everyday life (which has value). If my views offend you for some reason then I'm sorry, but nothing, or no one, can force me to believe in something like Religion.

I don't completely deny the existence of a God, I am just saying that there is no reason for me to believe in one.

GameMaster · 09-03-2003, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Crono

Ok, like Vampyr said you are taking me way too literally. We're talking Religion here (which has no value to me), not things in everyday life (which has value). If my views offend you for some reason then I'm sorry, but nothing, or no one, can force me to believe in something like Religion.

I don't completely deny the existence of a God, I am just saying that there is no reason for me to believe in one.

How can you place value on things of which you don't even know are for sure real or not?!

Vampyr · 09-03-2003, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Gamemaster

So according to your logic again, I should just not follow or do anything, because nothing is for certain.

How can you place value on things of which you don't even know are for sure real or not?!

Im pretty sure crono doesnt believe he is living in a dream world where worldy goods do not exist and that they are only figments of his imagination.

Crono · 09-03-2003, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by GameMaster

How can you place value on things of which you don't even know are for sure real or not?!

I'll put it into easier words:

Religion means nothing to me. What do I gain from being Religous? Nothing. Or is the satisfaction and the "goodness" of Christianity? (as an example). No, I don't care about Religion. That's the simplest way I can put it. I don't care about a lot things, and Religion just happens to be in that category.

Hero2 · 09-03-2003, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by nWoCHRISnWo

I'm not religious and I think all religions are complete BS.

PS. There is no god.

AMEN to that
im not religous ethier. why you ask religion is to good to be true. that or to scary to be true. one being looking over the world judging everybody.
sounds alot like bs. or you can look into more maybe god is our parents (just grouped together as one) looking over us making sure were ok... but they dont judge us in the end
or maybe there were no laws and the only way to keep people in line was to make them belief in somthing and now we have a lot of religons saying the same thing(be good and u wont die well atleast not completly) and all disagreing thats why religion is bad in the sence that it based on good beliefs and whole some acts unless you suck then well kill you. all in all its better to be good that way your bound to "get into heaven" or just die and not care.... thats why science is good i bevief in science its there and ill just lead a good life that way maybe god will have mercy on my soul or atleast just let me die in peace

DarkMaster · 09-03-2003, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by GameMaster

How can you place value on things of which you don't even know are for sure real or not?!

I could say the same thing to those who do believe in God.

When it comes to religion, there are those who believe and those who don't. Since we have no way of proving either correct, we would have to assume they are both wrong, right?

Unless you can prove that Crono's way of thinking is incorrect, maybe you should rethink your statements.

BTW, no offence to you GM, this is just religion talk after all.

GameMaster · 09-03-2003, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Crono

I'll put it into easier words:

Religion means nothing to me. What do I gain from being Religous? Nothing. Or is the satisfaction and the "goodness" of Christianity? (as an example). No, I don't care about Religion. That's the simplest way I can put it. I don't care about a lot things, and Religion just happens to be in that category.

Why limit yourself to religion? What do you gain from investing interest in anything which cannot be proven real or not real? You have a lot of conflicting statements and beliefs on your hands.

jeepnut · 09-03-2003, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Vampyr

I dont go to church either. Its not required. And you dont have to do a lot of work to be a christain, actually, you dont have to do any work. If you have faith and get saved, than you go to heaven. You dont even have to go to church to be saved, you ask Jesus to save you.

Church is not what saves you I agree. However, it is a place to gather with those who share your faith and to worship as a group. It can be a beautiful thing and it is something you can't get anywhere else. Church does serve a purpose, especially in the Catholic faith.

As far as Christianity being easy, that's your view. I believe Christianity is extremely hard. Why believe in Christ if you don't follow his teachings? According to my faith, faith alone is not what saves you. This is probably our differing point. This in my opinion leads to the prevailing thought that Christians think they are better than everyone else simply because they have faith in God. There are many that have "faith", but do nothing about it. Once again, why would Christ give us all the teachings if faith was all it took?

*This didn't turn out as well as I hoped. My mind is sucking right now. Feel free to criticize and I will refine my point.*

Crono · 09-03-2003, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by GameMaster

Why limit yourself to religion? What do you gain from investing interest in anything which cannot be proven real or not real? You have a lot of conflicting statements and beliefs on your hands.

You just don't give up. As a start, why don't you give me other examples, things that cannot be proven. Maybe then I can explain my views more.

I WAS a Christian until about grade 5 or so... until I released all the time I spent and everything I did meant nothing to my life. It may mean something to you, and it may mean something to society as a whole, but it means nothing to me. My views on Religion can be summed up like this:
I do not care.

That's it.