Your Religion!

TheGame · 09-03-2003, 09:08 PM

lol, belive it or not, I like Gamemaster's arguement.

He is thinking along the lines of a movie I have seen, to give a better example... The Matrix... or even worse the 13th floor (or somthing like that).

How do we know we are real and not a AI program? We could be living in some futurisic verion of the Sims... my way of disproving that I live in some type of Matrix is my faith. If you have faith in nothing you aren't alive.

You believe that you are real, and that's all a matter of faith, you can't prove you are real, it's just progrmmed into your head... just like the Sims. It's impossible to not poor ny faith into anyhing, because if you didn't you might as well be dead.

I'm not saying go out and kill yourself, but even if you were to, you have faiht that when that bullet goes through your head you will die.

Like GM said about the food, Crono quickly sruck back with the fact that he would die if he stopped eating... but guess what... Crono obviously hasn't stopped eating long enough to find out... he just has faith that stopping will kill him.

How do you guys know if we are real or not? Or if every person place and thing you have ever run into are just ailens here testing you? Why don't you pove that? You can't jump into another person's body can you? You just have what you have.

Why do people have compassion for others? Because they think they are the same, but you really don't know until you become them, which you can't.

I'm even confusing myself the way I am talking, but at least I feel I have purpose in life. Some have faith in science, some have faith in thier own beliefs, and some have faith in God. The key is no matter if you are aithest or not, you have faith in somthing, if you like it or not.

So GM using food as a form of belief is reasonable. Just because you drop the ball the same way into the same spot for years, it doesn't mean that the next time you do it the result will be the same...the next time it could float up and hit you in the head. Nothing is guranteed.

We don't even know the sun will come up tomorrow... are there parts of the world you haven't been to? Well, you don't know it's real, or if it's fake until you go there for yourself. You cannot prove anyhing you haven't done, faith is the only way to come to a reasonable conclusion.

You think you will die it you shoot yourself in the head? Well you can't prove it... maybe if one of us ailens who are testng you would go away if that happens, but you don't know that it will happen the next time or if you try it on yourself. You have faih that it will or it won't

Hero2 · 09-03-2003, 09:14 PM

*claps* bravo
all I have to say is wjy does it matter
if your here then your here if not then why should you care your not real thus leading into the ultimate question ??why??

TheGame · 09-03-2003, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Hero2

*claps* bravo
all I have to say is wjy does it matter
if your here then your here if not then why should you care your not real thus leading into the ultimate question ??why??

I don't understand what you are trying to say

The point of my post an the point of beating MGS2 (

) is that I have faith in the Bible... does that mean that it's going to happen for sure? Well, I'm about as sure of the Bible as you guys are sure that the sun will come up tomorrow morning... does that mean it's truly going to happen? We don't know until we experience, but we have faith in tomorrow.

I have my answer to the 'Why' of my life, until proven otherwise that's what I know will happen. Just like Crono knows stopping eating
will kill him.

GameMaster · 09-03-2003, 09:43 PM

And with that being said, I hereby declare myself and TheGame the winners of this thread!

Ok Justin, lock this baby up.

TheGame · 09-03-2003, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by GameMaster

And with that being said, I hereby declare myself and TheGame the winners of this thread!

Ok Justin, lock this baby up.

I would never abuse my power like that

Ok, unless I'm agueing with D-RealLoser...

(because he would flame me and give me a legit reason to

)

Bond · 09-03-2003, 09:50 PM

GameMaster you are so caught up in yourself it's ridiculous.

I won't even bother to repeat what other people have already said. You are very close to getting banned from this forum. Contribute productively or don't contribute at all.

Vampyr · 09-04-2003, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Dyne

You guys sure like to argue.

Yes, Yes I do. But I don't argue just for the sake of agrueing, I believe what I'm talking about.

BreakABone · 09-04-2003, 12:46 AM

I go away to school for one week, and a religion thread rears it's ugly head again.

In the time from the last relgiion thread, which was what 5-10 mins ago or so? I realized I have no faith, but am spiritual or so my friends told me when we had this discussion over pizza. If you must know, I had a slice with a hot dog roll and a Tropical Sprite Remix.

GameMaster, as always you just try too damn hard. I mean just because you try and make an intelligent arguement doesn't make you look intelligent. I forget the old cliche, but it's something along the lines of "Better to be thought of a fool, then to speak and remove all doubts."

As for Justin, it's not too shocking to see you agree with the most farfetched arguement thrown out

, but your logic works and doesn't work. We have no idea in knowing if we really exist or if we are just some game someone else is playing. And in the long run, it really doesn't matter. We don't make our living on knowing we exist, we exist as our own entity. We may or may not make our own decisions, but as long as we perceive that we do, we are fine, and until you can prove it wrong, eh.

Anyhow, textbooks call.

Dyne · 09-04-2003, 03:12 AM

100th Post.

=o

You guys sure like to argue.

TheGame · 09-04-2003, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BreakABone

I realized I have no faith.

Then you completly missed the point of my post

Faith is believing in somthing... and there are a lot of things you can believe in. Every human I know has faith in somthing. You have probably made plans to buy somthing or do somthing with your life in the future... but the fact that you are making plans for the future means you believe that there will be a tomorrow.

Will there be tomorrow? Unless sombody has a time machine and have seen it, there is no way to tell. Will there even be a tomorrow for you personally? Who knows, you could die today.. hell, even right as you read this post... but you have faith in the fact that you won't, even though it can't be proven.

There I go confusing myself again...

Anyway, I doubt there is a person in theis forum who has no faith in somthing that may or may not be true and that may or may not happen. That's the thing about the world, nothing is guaranteed, but if we were to think this way 24/7 we would probably be suicidal maniacs.

to have no faith you would have to sit there questioning each second of your life, one by one by one, no sleep, no food, no nothing.

BreakABone · 09-04-2003, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGame

Then you completly missed the point of my post

Faith is believing in somthing... and there are a lot of things you can believe in. Every human I know has faith in somthing. You have probably made plans to buy somthing or do somthing with your life in the future... but the fact that you are making plans for the future means you believe that there will be a tomorrow.

Will there be tomorrow? Unless sombody has a time machine and have seen it, there is no way to tell. Will there even be a tomorrow for you personally? Who knows, you could die today.. hell, even right as you read this post... but you have faith in the fact that you won't, even though it can't be proven.

There I go confusing myself again...

Anyway, I doubt there is a person in theis forum who has no faith in somthing that may or may not be true and that may or may not happen. That's the thing about the world, nothing is guaranteed, but if we were to think this way 24/7 we would probably be suicidal maniacs.

to have no faith you would have to sit there questioning each second of your life, one by one by one, no sleep, no food, no nothing.

Hey, I never read any of your posts, it's usually

*Makes point*

Blah..blah..blah..

*Tries to make point again*

Bleh...bleh..bleh...

I just skimmed it really so eh, but who knows.

And define faith, I mean you can have "faith" in yourself, but that is completely different than having "faith" in an uneartherly being.

TheGame · 09-04-2003, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BreakABone

And define faith, I mean you can have "faith" in yourself, but that is completely different than having "faith" in an uneartherly being.

Having faith in anything is the same as having faith in anything else... faith is believing is somthing that cannot be proven... and if somthing hasn't happend yet, it cannot be proven. So if you believe somthing will happen in the future, you have faith in it. Just like a person beliveing in the future after they die that they are going to heaven, you can't prove them wrong... just I can't prove you wrong if you say somthing you have no control over will happen.

TheSlyMoogle · 09-04-2003, 09:58 PM

Seeeee I told you this thread would start controversy. Hurrah!

Anyway, I'm an aetheist because I just scientifically don't believe there could have ever been a god. Or heck maybe there was a god who came here and created this place, and maybe now he's gone back to his wife somewhere in this galaxy and he could care less about us. Maybe god is an alien. Have you guy's ever heard of Occam's Razor? Basically it means the simplest explanation is the right one? Right? So the simplest explanation here is that there is no god! I mean It's much more believable right that there is some all powerful being out there that watches over us and controls everything right? I call that a tall tell my friend, like Paul Bunyan and his big blue ox.

Who's to say that Jesus wasn't some nut who went around spouting off some tale in his head, and eventually he got some followers. Notice how all these religions were started by men?! Hmm.

Ginkasa · 09-03-2003, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGame

lol, belive it or not, I like Gamemaster's arguement.

That's great... But what is he arguing? He was talking about something completely different than everybody else. I don't know if he actually thought it was relevant or if he's just stupid, but his "arguement" does not belond in this conversation at all. Or any other threads (he seems to think that this whole "exist or not exist" crap is relevant in the usergroup thread as well

)

He's entitled to his opinion (although it seems to contradict what he was initially saying) and you're entitled to your's, but this particular opinion is being told in the wrong place.

*shrugs and walks away*