What is Canada?

[Perfect Stu]

Originally Posted by Hero2

i dont know you canadians are screwed up like that

ok Joeiss has CLEARLY shown he more intelligent (among other things) than you on this subject...so I'd really just quit right there and hold onto the last scrap of dignity you may still possess

[Happydude]

Originally Posted by Perfect Stu

ok Joeiss has CLEARLY shown he more intelligent (among other things) than you on this subject...so I'd really just quit right there and hold onto the last scrap of dignity you may still possess

lol...i kinda agree, not to be mean or anything...but it's true

[Joeiss]

And all from taking only 1 and a half history courses at school, hahaha.


And I do not think the Nazi's were defeated by the Russian winter alone... There was much much more.

[GiMpY-wAnNaBe]

Originally Posted by Joeiss

And all from taking only 1 and a half history courses at school, hahaha.


And I do not think the Nazi's were defeated by the Russian winter alone... There was much much more.

lol, the russians as well

[Happydude]

Originally Posted by GiMpY-wAnNaBe

lol, the russians as well

[Ace195]

Originally Posted by Perfect Stu

ok Joeiss has CLEARLY shown he more intelligent (among other things) than you on this subject...so I'd really just quit right there and hold onto the last scrap of dignity you may still possess

Oh believe me he lost that a long time ago.

And I do not think the Nazi's were defeated by the Russian winter alone... There was much much more.

I agree with you there Ie. the sniper wars and the battle of stalingrade.. Those were major factors of the defeat of the Nazi war machine. But in counter, the winter of Russia is a Major factor in their defeat if they had the weather they did when they attacked they would have easily overcome the russian forces.

[Joeiss]

Nazi's just made a bunch of poor decisions... if they made good ones, they could have won the war easily. And maybe if they picked up a history book, they could have beat Russia too.

[Vampyr]

I love it when Crono does this...

Putting everyone in their place. +rep.

[Crono]

The Russian tanks were also superior to the Nazi Panzer tanks. As well, defeat was not an option for Russia, and Stalin knew that, and if he had to kill his own soldiers to defeat the Germans, then he was prepared to do so. And finally, Soviet tanks and soldiers greatly outnumbered the Germans, which was another major factor. In fact, Hitler once said "If I had known that they had 10 tanks for each of our tanks, I would have reconsidered invading the USSR." Well, that's not a direct quote, but he said something like that. The point is, the USSR defeated two thirds of the Nazi Army, and they were a major factor in the defeat of the Third Reich.

[GiMpY-wAnNaBe]

Originally Posted by Crono

The Russian tanks were also superior to the Nazi Panzer tanks. As well, defeat was not an option for Russia, and Stalin knew that, and if he had to kill his own soldiers to defeat the Germans, then he was prepared to do so. And finally, Soviet tanks and soldiers greatly outnumbered the Germans, which was another major factor. In fact, Hitler once said "If I had known that they had 10 tanks for each of our tanks, I would have reconsidered invading the USSR." Well, that's not a direct quote, but he said something like that. The point is, the USSR defeated two thirds of the Nazi Army, and they were a major factor in the defeat of the Third Reich.

i'm nt to sure about the russain tanks being superior, i rmeember reading that the Germans were much mroe prepared and advanced in military fasions, mainly because as soon as hitler came in power he started the training of 10 year olds and such to prep them for war, and then when they became older they were all gung ho and stuff, not only that, germany also had a lot more time to prepare (before they made an alliance with USSR), in the end it was Hitler being stupid that brought the downfall of the Nazis, because he decided to turn on Russia



ANYWAYS, BACK ON TOPIC!!!

[Hero2]

And the russians where in a down fall of there economy. that they still havent recoverd from

ps its when i care that ill give facts the other stuff i just like ****in with people and you should be ashamed if you actually take any of my posts to heart(except for the beaches the two that the americans took where the heart of the defence there and it was put togther by rommel you know the great leader of the forces in africa

[Ace195]

Originally Posted by Hero2

And the russians where in a down fall of there economy. that they still havent recoverd from

ps its when i care that ill give facts the other stuff i just like ****in with people and you should be ashamed if you actually take any of my posts to heart(except for the beaches the two that the americans took where the heart of the defence there and it was put togther by rommel you know the great leader of the forces in africa

[IMG]ftp://rankinse@ftp-www.earthlink.net/tralala.bmp[/IMG]

Hold on that though Adding a picture taking a second because i have to upload it to my personal ftpsite then to my homepage.. sorry will have it up a in a jiffy

[Dylflon]

Originally Posted by Hero2

And the russians where in a down fall of there economy. that they still havent recoverd from

ps its when i care that ill give facts the other stuff i just like ****in with people and you should be ashamed if you actually take any of my posts to heart(except for the beaches the two that the americans took where the heart of the defence there and it was put togther by rommel you know the great leader of the forces in africa

Oh. I should be so ashamed. You're still an idiot. When am I supposed to know when you are joking or not?

Sorry for taking your words out of context Rndm. And I didn't mean the Canadians made up trench warfare but I meant they came up with a lot of strategies that are still practiced today and are in soldier field manuals.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by GiMpY-wAnNaBe

i'm nt to sure about the russain tanks being superior, i rmeember reading that the Germans were much mroe prepared and advanced in military fasions, mainly because as soon as hitler came in power he started the training of 10 year olds and such to prep them for war, and then when they became older they were all gung ho and stuff, not only that, germany also had a lot more time to prepare (before they made an alliance with USSR), in the end it was Hitler being stupid that brought the downfall of the Nazis, because he decided to turn on Russia



ANYWAYS, BACK ON TOPIC!!!

The Soviet T-34 tank WAS THE best tank in World War II.

"Since Ukraine was the center of heavy industry in the USSR in the 1930s it produced much of the armaments before the German invasion. One surprise Hitler's army encountered was the T-34 tank which was designed and built in Ukraine in the Kharkiv Tractor Factory. The German general von Runstedt called the T-34 the "best tank in the world" and von Kleist said it was the "finest in the world." The first Ukrainian T-34 tank, no. 1, was tested by successfully driving it 1,000 miles from Kharkiv, Ukraine, to Moscow, Russia and back. The T-34 medium tank was superior to the German Panzer tanks because it had a more powerful cannon, a higher top speed (32 MPH to 25 for the Panzers), the armour was so superior that German shells bounced off it, superior welded construction invented by Academician Paton, and it had a wider track so it did not get bogged down in mud like the German Panzer. The Germans decided that the Ukrainian T-34 tank was so superior to the Panzer that they would have copied it but "Unfortunately for Germany this was not possible. German engineering technology was not up to it, many of the special alloys used in its construction were not available," states Andrew Kershaw in Weapons & War Machines (New York 1976) p. 192. (Incidentally, in 1995 the Ukrainian T-84 Tank being built in Kharkiv is again considered the best in the world.)"

http://www.infoukes.com/history/ww2/page-26.html

Built in Ukraine (and if you know anything about USSR, Ukraine was part of the USSR), and so the tank was used by the Soviets, and was ultimately superior to the Panzers. And of course Germany had more time to prepare for war. I don't think the Soviets were expecting a German invasion, but because of Hitler's hatred for Stalin, war between the two was unavoidable. USSR was communist, Hitler was fascist, war was almost certain.

Originally Posted by Hero2

And the russians where in a down fall of there economy. that they still havent recoverd from

ps its when i care that ill give facts the other stuff i just like ****in with people and you should be ashamed if you actually take any of my posts to heart(except for the beaches the two that the americans took where the heart of the defence there and it was put togther by rommel you know the great leader of the forces in africa.

World War II was actually the height of the Soviet Economy, thanks to Stalin's "5 year plan", which dramatically increased factory and industrial productions. The real collapse of the Soviet economy came in the 1980s, near the end of the Cold War.

[Hero2]

i thought they were having revoutions due to the fact they were sending all the food and supplys they had to the front lines