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Old 11-02-2003, 09:59 AM   #1
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I would also like to thank France for letting Hitler take over their own country without even trying to defend themselves.

Most of the praise for the Allied victory in WWII should probably go to Russia (who was equally as evil as Germany) and Great Britain (Churchill was a genius).
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Old 11-02-2003, 11:54 AM   #2
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\Most of the praise for the Allied victory in WWII should probably go to Russia (who was equally as evil as Germany)
Stalin and Hitler were evil, not Russia and Germany.
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Old 11-02-2003, 12:38 PM   #3
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Stalin and Hitler were evil, not Russia and Germany.
No, I think he's more correct in saying Russia and Germany were evil, because Stalin and Hitler sort of got everyone in on it. It wasn't like just those two guys were standing on the streets going "Let's take over the world and kill millions of people!"

There were more people who were "evil" or whatever than just those two individuals. They may have been the ones who got the ball rolling (And even that's something of a stretch), but they had huge amounts of people who were thinking exactly like them, and backing them through the whole thing.

So, even though both statements are technically wrong, referring to the actual countries as evil is certainly closer to the truth.
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Old 11-02-2003, 12:57 PM   #4
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Well, I suppose. But near the end of World War II a lot of German citizens lost faith in Hitler, and even after Stalin died Stalin was denounced by Nikolai Khruschev (leader of USSR after Stalin). Not to mention Stalin kind of forced his way into being leader, he was not elected. Also, millions of Soviet citizens died because they wouldn't listen to Stalin. But anyway, the people in those countries hated their ruler as time passed on. But it doesn't matter anymore I guess.
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Old 11-02-2003, 01:04 PM   #5
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I would also like to thank France for letting Hitler take over their own country without even trying to defend themselves.

Most of the praise for the Allied victory in WWII should probably go to Russia (who was equally as evil as Germany) and Great Britain (Churchill was a genius).
Russia gave way more to win WWII than any other allied power. 20 milion dead.
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Old 11-02-2003, 04:58 PM   #6
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Russia gave way more to win WWII than any other allied power. 20 milion dead.
Add in the millions that were killed in WWI and the millions killed by Stalin, and you have the highest amount of deaths in any country of the 20th century. China too, suffered major losses. I forget the exact number but I know millions were slaughtered by the Japanese Army.
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Old 11-02-2003, 06:04 PM   #7
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Russia gave way more to win WWII than any other allied power. 20 milion dead.
A large amount of them were shot by their own military. All soldiers retreating were gunned down.

Kruschev wasn't any picnic either. He may not have been as brutal to his own people as Stalin, but he moire of a eye for conquest than Stalin did. Kruschev saw the world becoming under control of communism. There is also the famous speech at the UN where he began beating the podium with his shoe and screaming :"We will crush you!"
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Old 11-02-2003, 11:12 PM   #8
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Russia gave way more to win WWII than any other allied power. 20 milion dead.
too bad 3/4 of all thsoe deaths were from Stalin.
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