Both Gamecube & GBA Successor confirmed by Nintendo

[TheGame]

Originally posted by Angrist
If only it would have been a joint-venture instead of a buy-out... A buy-out sounds too... Microsoft. M$ would have made the console while Nintendo could have learned them quite a few tricks.

I think that it would only work as a buyout because:

1) Nintendo had way too much faith in thier own console, and way too little faith in Ps2's hard development and M$ newbieness.

2) Nintendo probably already wasted millions of dollars creating the Gamecube before M$ steped in.

3) Nintendo probably wouldn't have accepted development for the 'Xbox' any other way... and there is no way in hell M$ would have wanted to use the 'GCN' hardware this generation.

I know you guys would have been pretty pissed to start off if you all had to spend the extra $$$ on Xbox and have to deal with the controller too

But we didn't know back then that Xbox and GCN would both be raped by Ps2. Now that we look back, most of us (most, not all) probably view it as a bad move for Nintendo... Xbox isn't looking too bad now-a-days. One less console to buy (for me )

Back then Xbox was predicted to flop though, and I wouldn't have even liked them buying out Nintendo. I mean, Xbox flops, M$ owns Nintendo, what happens next? PC games for Nintendo?

Oh well, maybe they can do it Next generation... hopfully. I don't like the three way competition.

[bobcat]

Originally posted by TheGame
Oh well, maybe they can do it Next generation... hopfully. I don't like the three way competition.

Same.

There are too many multiplatform games. Games that are available on multiple consoles are less appealing for some reason (to me).

I don't want Nintendo to stop making consoles however. I totally see The Game's points, and I agree with most of them. Sony and Microsoft have way more money than Sony, hence they can buy more.

But I don't want it to be a Microsoft vs Sony console war in the end. Then on the other hand, if it's Nintendo vs Sony, Nintendo won't be able to compete head to head because of their console not having what mainstream people want (built in DVD player, MANY different games etc).

So I think that Nintendo aren't really competing with Sony and Microsoft for some reason. If they wanted to, I'm sure that they would have made the GC more like an Entertainment System rather than a console (e.g. hdd, dvd player) . It just seems that the GC is the odd one out of the 3, but that doesn't mean I don't want Nintendo to make consoles (or entertainment units for that matter).

I do want them to continue, but my question to Nintendo is "are you competing with Sony and Microsoft?"

If they are, then they need to create an entertainment unit, not a console, if not, then they are doing fine.

[GameKinG]

I dont think they will team up next gen, though rumors speculate the next console will incorperate Panasonic enough to consider it a joint venture, and not just Nintendo.

[Dyne]

Originally posted by GameKinG
I dont think they will team up next gen, though rumors speculate the next console will incorperate Panasonic enough to consider it a joint venture, and not just Nintendo.

Panasonic + Nintendo= Yes.

Panasonic would love to see Sony, their main competitor, crash and burn. If we had the Panasonic Q instead of the Gamecube (but still called Gamecube), how do you think it would do?

Well, the obvious note comes up that Gamecube can't play bigger discs, disallowing large-memory games. Right now, their different style in the market is their strong point against the Xbox.

I had a dream the night I heard about the succesor to the Gamecube... I dreamt of a console that looked like the N64, but had the gamecube style disc insert instead of the RAM part and the cartridge space... and was silverish-blue. It was for big discs. That truly would be the perfect system in my opinion. People wouldn't complain about how it was big like the Xbox. It had a DVD player (panasonic partnership, just like the IBM or ATI partnership), and it looked really cool. But too bad it really was a dream.

Nintendo can't continue this "portable" thing, it's taking away from good CPU processing and polygon counts. Someone's going to have to be the oddball out, and if Nintendo falls into that category once more, it's going to be a hard time for us all. I know Nintendo is able to make great games, we've seen that over the years. But it's time to make another Super Nintendo if they want a good chance. It's pretty amazing a software company managed to come out with better hardware than Nintendo.

If Nintendo means "We do our best and leave luck to heaven!" then they certainly aren't doing their best. They have good luck, but they can't rely on it like this.

Edit: Well... I do realize they jumped ahead by accident by releasing the 64 bit cartridge system. The virtual boy really knocked them off. One mistake after another... from letting go of Sony while they were making the SNES CD add-on and allowing them to become the toughest competitor against them since 1995, to making the weak virtual boy as a 32-bit entry to compensate for Sony and Sega's 32 bit entries, to making a strong system that still used cartridges (and losing square's ff7 and the rest for all of those years--wasting millions of sales so far) much too late, to the Gamecube which doesn't have the latest stuff either, which happens to be DVD support. The Gamecube's lucky it's not suffering the same fate. Nintendo needs to do their absolute best next generation. Nintendo Software and Panasonic/Nintendo/IBM/ATI partnered hardware is a killer combination.

[TheGame]

"The Gamecube's lucky it's not suffering the same fate."

I think GCN will come in third this generation.. but it's not because of Nintendo being ignorant, it''s because they won't stop making hardware. Compared to M$ and Sony, Nintendo doesn't even have enough money to keep making consoles. They have enough fan backing to make consoles, but as we see, that is fading more and more with each generation.

If they can't beat two higher priced competitors in sales with such strong 1st party support (which I feel they lost with Rare), Easy development, and about a 15 Year experience lead... how on earth will they return to greatness in the future?

They better latch on to sombody before it's too late and they find themselves flopping out of controll like Sega. They better sell thier worth now before they become worthless.

I for one hope Nintendo is bought out by M$... let Ms handle the hardware, and Nintendo (along with M$'s A-List of 2nd parties) could just handle the software.

[Angrist]

But then M$ would HAVE to listen to Nintendo (Miyamoto) when it comes to controllers and stuff. X-Box is far from perfect.

[Dyne]

I agree, Nintendosoft would be utter HELL. Microsoft is a software company, they won't go into hardware. They wanted to expand their abilities and make more money with bigger, better games in a different market in mind when they created the Xbox. They'd be caught dead before Nintendo comes in. Nintendo would put them out of the Xbox games business if they had to share. They're two different companies with two different philosophies.

Plus, Microsoft has had many more flops. Look at Whacked and Blinx. Wtf? If they had to share they'd start to lose much more money. Think about it for a second.

[bobcat]

Originally posted by TheGame
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I for one hope Nintendo is bought out by M$... let Ms handle the hardware, and Nintendo (along with M$'s A-List of 2nd parties) could just handle the software.

I can't imagine Nintendo games running off Xbox's hardware. Thinking about it even scares me.