GT TF2 Thread! "LAST ONE ALIVE SHUT THE DOOR!"

[Null]

last i read, valve was pretty dead set on the updates being free.

and even so (while i do disagree with you on some of that, we'll leave it be) the fact is valve will still want to wait till they're all done before doing anything of an update on consoles. and to be honest, if the console users do get the updates, they would probably be better off getting them at the end.

a lot of this is more like a testing phase on pc. these updates cause balance issues, and render opposing classes much less effective until they get the update of thier own. then things are getting tweeked and changed with little updates after.
plus when they come out you get EVERYONE picking that class, which ruins the matches. fortunately on PC you can set servers to limit classes. so say a spy update comes out, instead of having 30 spies running around, you can limit them so only 4 on each team are allowed. (or less or more) As far as i know, you cant do that on consoles can you?

but if consoles do get the updates and valve works out a payment plan, i dont see it happening till after they've finalized these

[KillerGremlin]

The updates drove me away from playing TF2 online. After the Pyro update was 2 or 3 days old, I was wondering how people had fully upgraded characters. I just assumed some people are just "really good" or that Valve had been keeping tabs on stats the whole time.

I later found out that people have created "achievement servers" where you can go and just kill some bots on easy or something and get full achievements. I think it defeats the whole point of the system, and I think Valve should release the updates but get rid of the unlocking system.

Yup. A few bad apples ruins them all...

The thing is, I don't feel like stooping down to the "achievement server" level. And I know that I am better than a lot of these players...because A) I'm an arrogant prick, but B) I was pretty damn good at being a Spy/Soldier when I was playing TF2 consistently.

Having said that, I've returned to playing Counter-Strike because I found a good server with a good community. I plan on getting back into TF2, but it is lame as hell with the updates.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Null

last i read, valve was pretty dead set on the updates being free.

Well then this entire problem falls in the laps of Valve. It's not like Microsoft's business plan of charging for every major upgrade is anything new. Valve knew this when they started developing for the Xbox so they should get off their high horse and act like adults, IMO. A deal is a deal.

As for waiting until they can upgrade everything at once, I see you're point, but in the end I think the addition of ala carte upgrades would lend more to continued interest and waiting so long just frustrates your 360 players, as they look at every update for the PC version as a slap in their face. People will only wait so long, and I can tell you most 360 players I've talked to are not blaming Microsoft for this and are willing to thrown down some cash for added playability, if only for new maps.

As foor unbalanced games, well, have you ever played on the 360? Every game is unbalanced because 3/4 of the players outright SUCK. They can all play with the Sandvich all they like, I'll still brain `em with my wrench.

[Combine 017]

Originally Posted by Professor S

As foor unbalanced games, well, have you ever played on the 360? Every game is unbalanced because 3/4 of the players outright SUCK. They can all play with the Sandvich all they like, I'll still brain `em with my wrench.

And ill still axe them some questions.

But I think Valve was waiting for at least half of the character updates to be done before they were going to put it on 360. But it will probably just be delayed some more.

But 360 seriously needs to get some better players. Sure its fun kicking ass, but I like a challenge every once in a while.