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10-01-2009, 01:32 PM
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Re: President Obama Healthcare Speech
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Either way, you've basically conceded the point and agree that the main force in this issue IS the will of the people, unless I've completely misread your post.
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Completly missed the point and misread the post.
Here are the people's choices. a) Vote for the group that says they want a public option, but who doesn't really push for one collectively. or b) Vote for the group that's pushing to kill the public option and any type of healthcare reform that our current president suggests.
Lets say my polls are more valid, and the majority of people are in favor ofthe public option... who would you expect them to vote for, option A or option B?
Lets say you are right, and the majority of people are against having a public option... who would you expect them to vote for, option A or option B?
And also, can you understand why a person for the public option would see both option A & B in a negative light?
In this case, democrats don't have to appeal to the people, because the only other option the people are given, appeal to them even less. Which is why, dispite the fact that the majority of people want a public option... democrats will not pass it so that they can hold on to their bribes, because voters won't switch sides no matter what the dems do at this point.
Oh, did I say bribes? I meant their campaign donations. Sorry.
So, as I've said in many threads before... we'll see what happens in 2010 and 2012.
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10-01-2009, 02:08 PM
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What?
So suddenly incorporating your false assumption (the Dems are against the bill because of special interests not public opinion of the REAL legislation) into a question makes it legitimate? The very nature of the question in "option A" is false, and in fact its that nature that we've been debating! Sorry, this additional semantic game didn't work, try again. Lets try to focus this time and not attempt to change the subject.
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The overall picture remains one of stability. Today’s record low support for the plan of 41% is just a point lower than the results found twice before. With the exception of a slight bounce earlier this month following the president’s nationally televised speech to Congress to promote the plan, support for it has remained in the low-to-mid 40s since early July. During that same time period, opposition has generally stayed in the low-to-mid 50s.
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Last week, Rasmussen Reports tracking found that support for the Congressional plan was at 42%.
While the tracking question did not specifically mention the public option, it referred to the bill proposed by the president and congressional Democrats now working its way through Congress.
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10-01-2009, 02:12 PM
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Uh, once again, no.
They're not refering directly to support of having a public option for health insurance. You can quote the same thing over and over as many times as you'd like, but its not going to change what it says.
And.. Option A is true. There are democrats against the public option, and Obama himself supported a plan that didn't have the public option from Max Baucus.
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10-01-2009, 02:19 PM
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Re: President Obama Healthcare Speech
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Uh, once again, no.
They're not refering directly to support of having a public option for health insurance. You can quote the same thing over and over as many times as you'd like, but its not going to change what it says.
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Really?
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Last week, Rasmussen Reports tracking found that support for the Congressional plan was at 42%.
While the tracking question did not specifically mention the public option, it referred to the bill proposed by the president and congressional Democrats now working its way through Congress.
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How is this not specific enough for you? They say EXACTLY what the poll refers to, and that is THE BILL WITH THE PUBLIC OPTION AS IT'S CENTERPIECE. There is NO AMBIGUITY IN THIS STATEMENT.
The reason I continue to re-post the obvious is that you refuse to acknowledge the obvious and instead spread nonsense. Also, you have yet to form a decent reponse to these reports, instead you create this hypothetical self-question and answering session built to give answers you'd like to hear. I will continue to re-post reason until you A) stop spreading falsehoods or B) actually accept reality.
My bet is on the former, not the latter.
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10-01-2009, 02:25 PM
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Re: President Obama Healthcare Speech
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How is this not specific enough for you? They say EXACTLY what the poll refers to, and that is THE BILL WITH THE PUBLIC OPTION AS IT'S CENTERPIECE. There is NO AMBIGUITY IN THIS STATEMENT.
The reason I continue to re-post the obvious is that you refuse to acknowledge the obvious and instead spread nonsense. I will continue to re-post reason until you A) stop spreading falsehoods or B) actually accept reality.
My bet is on the former, not the latter.
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This poll did not directly mention or ask people if they directly supported the idea of a public option, it asked what people thought of how washington is handling it now. This is simply a fact, I can repeat it 50 more times if you wish.
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10-01-2009, 02:41 PM
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Re: President Obama Healthcare Speech
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This poll did not directly mention or ask people if they directly supported the idea of a public option, it asked what people thought of how washington is handling it now. This is simply a fact, I can repeat it 50 more times if you wish.
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Ok, so the poll didn't refer specifically to a A public option, but instead specifically to the BILL WITH THE PUBLIC OPTION INCLUDED AS THE CENTERPIECE.
And you think that makes the poll invalid?
So you're literally arguing that the myth is more important than the reality. This is an amazing conversation that I don't want to stop. The farther we get into this the more insane the argument becomes.
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Last week, Rasmussen Reports tracking found that support for the Congressional plan was at 42%.
While the tracking question did not specifically mention the public option, it referred to the bill proposed by the president and congressional Democrats now working its way through Congress. All of the congressional committees that had passed reform legislation included a government health insurance plan.
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As for your continued claim that the question is about "how washington is handling it" please supply proof of the question. So far all I've found is evidence from Rasmussen that directly contradicts your assertion. The quote above is quite clear. That said, I haven't been able to find the exact questions asked. You seem sure about the questions, so please provide a link.
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10-01-2009, 02:49 PM
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Re: President Obama Healthcare Speech
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Ok, so the poll didn't refer specifically to a A public option, but instead specifically to the BILL WITH THE PUBLIC OPTION INCLUDED AS THE CENTERPIECE.
And you think that makes the poll invalid?
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Did I say the poll is invalid? No. I said that the poll did not directly mention or ask people if they directly supported the idea of a public option, it asked what people thought of how washington is handling it now. Which, once again.. is a fact.
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As for your continued claim that the question is about "how washington is handling it" please supply proof of the question. So far all I've found is evidnce from Rasmussen that directly contradicts your assertion. Link please.
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Did this poll ask people if they'd like a public option, or did this poll ask if people support a bill that was already made? My assertion is that the majority of people are in favor of having a public option, however they're not in favor of how washington is currently handling it. If the poll asked directly if the people (or doctors) would prefer to have a public option, as I posted before, the majority of people would say yes.
However, since the question is refering to a bill that had already been compromised on, and that Obama was offering to butcher to gain support from republicans.. the poll is going to yield bad results.
Once again, we'll see if 'the people' are really opposed to the public option when the only poll that matters happens again.
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