Thinking of selling my Wii, try and convince me not to

[Bond]

Originally Posted by manasecret

I for one almost never sell anything game-wise or movie-wise, especially a console I feel like I will have any inkling of using in the future. Because if you want to buy it again in the future, in all likelihood you will end up losing money on the deal. Whatever you make on it now most likely won't cover the cost of buying it again in the future.

Good point. If you have an inkling that you may want to play the Wii again then I would keep it, but, if you don't, then you might as well sell it now while its resale value is the highest.

[TheSlyMoogle]

Well I already sold mine on the good faith that one of my friends/family members would have one for when I actually wanted to play something. Even my mother has a fucking wii with wii fit.

Here is what I was/still am looking at to play for the wii:

The next Zelda - Like everyone says, no idea when that will be out but I predict we'll see stuff this coming year and probably a late 12 release.

Metroid M or whatever - This is being developed by team fucking ninja. Enough said. I can only hope they bring me Ninja Gaiden type hard to Metroid. I never thought I would see something like this collaboration but fuck yeah, bring it.

RE Darkside Chronicles - Looks like a very fun light gun style game.

Fragile: Farewell Ruins of the Moon - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fragile_(video_game)

This game has a unique art style and I wanted to give it a whirl

Silent Hill: Shattered Memories - It has gotten great reviews and does look hella fun.

Other than that really can't think of too much. Unfortunately just not enough for me to justify keeping the Wii. Resident Evil is definitely just a play and done game. Maybe a couple of plays since it's a light gun game, but after a few days I would be done. Same with SH it can be completed several times in a week and done. I don't know much about farewell but it's art style intrigued and it got pretty good japanese reviews including a 31 out of 40 in Famitsu and those guys are hardcore.

I expect great things from Metroid, and of course like all Zelda game I will be able to beat the game in a few days getting everything accomplished and I'll be done with it.

I love the 2d metroids, but hate the FPS prime games, and I'm pumped for what team ninja can do so I'm crossing my fingers but still, it's one of those games you play a few times and you're done.

Just unfortunately the Wii doesn't have enough substance. It's a great party machine, it's cool for 4 players. The serious lack of online play in pretty much every game, and the fact that it's one big whore console for the family makes it just not very fun for the hardcore players.

I feel like there is nothing on the Wii, now, or in the future that I can't wait patiently to play when a used wii is less than 100 bucks and all the games sell used for 20.

/wii hate rant

Also if you do decide to sell it I would say wait until after the holiday season. Gamestop will probably run a special deal around Feb. or March to compensate for all the used systems they lost. When I sold mine the wii was still selling for 250 dollars and I sold it to gamestop for 180.

[TheSlyMoogle]

Originally Posted by BreakABone

Okay, I just want to address the final point for the most part because well you got to rant as well.

This whole generation I have heard the terms hardcore and casual thrown around, and for this entire generation the whole damn thing has pissed me off.

People should call a spade, a spade, if a game doesn't interest you... it doesn't interest you... what interest you doesn't make it anymore hardcore than another game.

And people throw around the term, but it has no meaning behind it. Because what the hell is a hardcore game?

It would be some niche title that sells like 5 copies and is hard as nails.

Why? Because if a game can market itself to a wide audience and they enjoy it, it has just crossed the threshold into casual gaming territory.

Final fantasy, GTA, Halo, Call of Duty... all of those are casual games but of course no one sees it that way when it doesn't fit their point.

Hell everyone in the industry should thrive to have casual games because they need a game to reach more than the same 3 knuckleheads who are diehards.

And I also feel, it turns gamers into elitist snobs... and for what? A virtual hobby?

And this has nothing to do with Wii or 360... its just my damn feeling on people tossing around those absurd labels.



I assume when you sold, Wii demand was probably still high as well. The Wii's demand has cooled off this year so I just don't see it getting as much on the market... well as much as it would have a year ago anyhow.

Games can generally be as hardcore or casual as you want them to be. In general well developed games give you that option.

Final Fantasy for example: You can spend probably 20 hours playing any of the final fantasy games and beat them or complete the vast majority of the game in itself without really doing much beyond mashing the x button. Thankfully the majority of those games have including ridiculously hard to kill bosses, time consuming side jobs for better equips or leveling up, and general badass systems that allow you to specifically master that game. It's totally possible to take every character through the sphere grid for everyone in FFX. How long does it take? Oh my friend Kyle did it in about 280 hours. I hated FFX and went from start to finish with a final save at 28:23. Both of us sat down and broke up the game's system in different ways to accomplish both tasks.

GTA is setup to where you can spend hours whittling away at the game's side missions, sub-plots and generally do what you want, or you can just manhandle all the story missions and be done.

Halo and CoD not only have a main campaign that can be completed multiple times and you're done, but both have been providing multiplayer goldeness since each dropped allowing the more serious fans and players of the game to take it much deeper than beating the game on it's hardest difficulty.

Now let's take a look at oh say... The top 20 bestselling wii games:

# Wii Sports (50.54 million)[1]
# Wii Play (24.43 million)[1]
# Wii Fit (22.5 million)[1]
# Mario Kart Wii (18.36 million)[1]
# Super Smash Bros. Brawl (8.43 million)[2]
# Super Mario Galaxy (8.02 million)[2]
# Wii Sports Resort (6.97 million approximately[1]; 1.25 million in United States, 1.266 million in Japan[3], 1 million in Europe, 100,000 in Australia [4])[5]
# Mario Party 8 (6.72 million)[2]
# The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (4.52 million)[6]
# Link's Crossbow Training (3.76 million)[2]
# Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games (3.4 million)[7]
# Animal Crossing: City Folk (3.38 million)[2]
# Wii Music (2.65 million)[2]
# Super Paper Mario (2.28 million)[6]
# Big Brain Academy: Wii Degree (2.26 million)[6]
# Wii Fit Plus (2.13 million)[1]
# Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock (2 million)[8]
# Deca Sports (2 million shipped)[9]
# Game Party (2 million shipped)[10]
# WarioWare: Smooth Moves (1.82 million)[11]

Am I the only one who sees a problem there?

Super Mario Galaxies, Twilight Princess, Super Paper Mario, Animal Crossing. These games all have longevity, and hardcore playability. Brawl and Mario Kart would have, had nintendo not dumbed them down. Sure it was still perfectly fine for the casual players, but when the hardcore players asked for nintendo to up the ante in these games, add more substance... What did nintendo do? They killed everything about those two games that made them playable. I used to see random Mario Kart tournaments all the time at the fighting game tournaments, and now what game do they play? They still play the GC version because it actually required some semblance of skill to win. Most smash tournaments have either reverted back to Melee or are being run as brawl+ (A community hack of brawl to fix all the dumb shit, and it's rather easy to do.)

Everything else on that list is basically a gimmick designed to pull in the majority of people who either never played a video game, only enjoyed it casually, or some type of party thing.

Do you know how much it irks me to hear "Oh yeah I play video games" from a 50 year old man. My response is always "Oh let me guess you have a wii?", "Yeah I have a wii I love it."

There is no substance in a game with the title "Wii Anything"

And I had no problem with nintendo making a motion controlled system, none at all. I had no problem with them targeting the casuals and never playeds. But somewhere in the dust we as serious gamers got left behind, with sad looks and our wiimotes slung limply around our necks asking for more.

I used to love nintendo, a lot of nintendo games are still at the top of my list of games that I love, but most of those got swept under a rug somewhere and odds are I'll never see them again.

It was the few hardcore gamers that supported nintendo in their time of need. It's us who bought the 64 and the Gamecube first before we ever got playstations and PS2s. It's us who scoffed at microsoft when we saw the "TankBox" and it's us who nintendo royally screwed.

To a lot of people gaming is quite a bit more than just a hobby. I play games because someday I want to create games. I strive to learn more about the interworkings of a game, question how they did something.

Some people just want nothing more than to get better at the games they play. There are people who do nothing but sit online and play these games with others and against others in order to better their abilities with them.

Some people enjoy playing games because they want to create the art for those games someday. They spend hours exploring environments, checking out how things were drawn, going online and looking at concept art.

There are other reasons too, and I've known at least 3 people or more who fall into each of those categories in my lifetime. These are the people apparently nintendo just stopped giving a fuck about.

Why would I have a wii so it can collect dust and so I can play one game a year on it. No sir no thanks.

/rant #2


Gamestop was running a special at the time where you could trade in the wii for up to 180 dollars if you traded in 2 games on the list. The only 2 wii games I had were brawl and twilight and they were both on the list. I ended up with about 275 dollars that day thanks to rock band, the wii, and those 2 games. That's how I got my arcade stick, blazblue and l4d1. I have yet to regret that decision.