April NPD or Everyone Drinks except Nintendo

[TheGame]

Originally Posted by Professor S

I'm tempted to remove the Wii from the console wars entirely, as its not really the same animal.

You can ask BaB on this one, I've always dismissed Wii from the console war. No matter how good it does, I still can't pull myself to call it in the same league. Its had to find good viable examples for how I feel this way outside of comparing it to handhelds... or kinda like you said, a popular Neo Geo. <_<

[DarkMaster]

Only a truly amazing looking new Zelda game could get me interested in a Wii, otherwise I really don't see any appeal in the console. I mean here we are again, buying Nintendo's consoles for Nintendo's games. The only reason I could see owning the console right now are Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime, and Smash Bros, and none of these games really truly symbolize the Wii's revolutionary mission of motion control. I'd be perfectly content playing all these games with a gamecube controller or something similar.

I guess in my mind, Wii is really just the cool new toy, and the other consoles are just sitting back, doing what they normally do, and I'm fine with that.

[Renwood]

Originally Posted by DarkMaster

otherwise I really don't see any appeal in the console.

Originally Posted by DarkMaster

I mean here we are again, buying Nintendo's consoles for Nintendo's games.

That is all the appeal required from two hundred and fifty dollars.

Also, the only thing worse than Sales-Age is retarded Sales-Age. Please, all of you, stop.

[Angrist]

The funny thing is that Nintendo has always said they're not competing with Sony/Microsoft. They're doing their own thing and their market is growing bigger than the conventional market.

The question isn't why Nintendo isn't competing with the rest, but why the rest isn't competing with Nintendo.

[DarkMaster]

Originally Posted by Renwood

That is all the appeal required from two hundred and fifty dollars.

Like I said, when the next Zelda reveals itself...

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Angrist

The funny thing is that Nintendo has always said they're not competing with Sony/Microsoft. They're doing their own thing and their market is growing bigger than the conventional market.

We're not the ones putting together the sales comparisons that include Nintendo, we're just commenting on them. Regardless of what Nintendo says, the industry views them as a competitor.

The question isn't why Nintendo isn't competing with the rest, but why the rest isn't competing with Nintendo.

Because they're two different animals trying to accomplish different things. Gamers play games on the 360 or PS3. Gamers play the Wii itself. The games are secondary, and I think you can see that the third party developers agree...

[Aladuf]

Originally Posted by TheGame

You can ask BaB on this one, I've always dismissed Wii from the console war. No matter how good it does, I still can't pull myself to call it in the same league. Its had to find good viable examples for how I feel this way outside of comparing it to handhelds... or kinda like you said, a popular Neo Geo. <_<

Yep, I agree. I haven't considered the Wii to be in the same league as the PS3/360 for a long time. I've looked at the console wars as 360 vs. PS3 for a while because the Wii just doesn't offer the same experience as the HD consoles. The Wii is off completely doing its own thing and it's not coming back.

I ditched my Wii a couple of weeks back because I wasn't playing the 3 or 4 first party games I actually had. I didn't own a single 3rd party game and I had/have no interest in any of them coming out or ones that have come out.

One of the things that led me to sell the Wii is the fact that there was this one night in particular about a month ago where I was bored and wanted to play some game, ANYTHING really. So I got up and went over to my games and I looked through them for a little bit just trying to figure out what I wanted to play. Eventually I found something for the 360. But a few minutes later I realized that I didn't even for a second consider looking at the Wii games. I didn't even entertain the possibility of playing that console. So that led me to say right then "Why do I even own this fucking console?"

Originally Posted by Renwood

Also, the only thing worse than Sales-Age is retarded Sales-Age. Please, all of you, stop.

There's nothing retarded about this, this thread is kind of a discussion about where the Wii's spot is in gaming today and all of that.

[BreakABone]

O for the first time in a long time. The top 20!

March/April ranks……… Title/platform/publisher
**/1 ………………Grand Theft Auto IV (Xbox 360) Take-Two*
**/2 ……………….Mario Kart (Wii) Nintendo
**/3 ……………….GTA IV (PS3) Take-Two*
4/4 ……………….Wii Play/with remote (Wii) Nintendo
1/5 ……………….Super Smash Bros. Brawl (Wii) Nintendo
**/6 ……………….Gran Turismo 5 Prologue (PS3) Sony
**/7 ……………….Pokemon/Explorers of Darkness (DS) Nintendo
**/8 ……………….Pokemon/Explorers of Time (DS) Nintendo
7/9 ……………….Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock (Wii) Activision
9/10 ……………….Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (360) Activision*
6/11 ……………….Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII (PSP) Square Enix
2/12 ……………….Rainbow Six: Vegas 2 (Xbox 360) Ubisoft*
20/13 ………………..Naruto: Ultimate Ninja 3 (PS2) Namco Bandai
19/14 ………………..Game Party (Wii) Midway
14/15 ………………..Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock (PS2) Activision*
18/16 ………………..New Super Mario Bros. (DS) Nintendo
**/17 ………………..Mario Kart (DS) Nintendo
**/18 ………………..Rock Band (Xbox 360) MTV/Electronic Arts*
13/19 ………………..Mario Party (DS) Nintendo
**/20 ……………….Super Mario Galaxy (Wii) Nintendo

And since someone did the work.
Wii-6
DS-5
360-4
PS3-2
PS2-2
PSP-1

http://www.themanandhischeese.pwp.bl.../aprilnpd.html

[DeathsHand]

Originally Posted by BreakABone

O for the first time in a long time. The top 20!

March/April ranks……… Title/platform/publisher
**/1 ………………Grand Theft Auto IV (Xbox 360) Take-Two*
**/2 ……………….Mario Kart (Wii) Nintendo
**/3 ……………….GTA IV (PS3) Take-Two*
4/4 ……………….Wii Play/with remote (Wii) Nintendo
1/5 ……………….Super Smash Bros. Brawl (Wii) Nintendo
**/6 ……………….Gran Turismo 5 Prologue (PS3) Sony
**/7 ……………….Pokemon/Explorers of Darkness (DS) Nintendo
**/8 ……………….Pokemon/Explorers of Time (DS) Nintendo
7/9 ……………….Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock (Wii) Activision
9/10 ……………….Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (360) Activision*
6/11 ……………….Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII (PSP) Square Enix
2/12 ……………….Rainbow Six: Vegas 2 (Xbox 360) Ubisoft*
20/13 ………………..Naruto: Ultimate Ninja 3 (PS2) Namco Bandai
19/14 ………………..Game Party (Wii) Midway
14/15 ………………..Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock (PS2) Activision*
18/16 ………………..New Super Mario Bros. (DS) Nintendo
**/17 ………………..Mario Kart (DS) Nintendo
**/18 ………………..Rock Band (Xbox 360) MTV/Electronic Arts*
13/19 ………………..Mario Party (DS) Nintendo
**/20 ……………….Super Mario Galaxy (Wii) Nintendo

And since someone did the work.
Wii-6
DS-5
360-4
PS3-2
PS2-2
PSP-1

Two of the Wii games are Nintendo's hot new games, one is the follow-up, of sorts, to Wii Sports, another is the system's best-selling non-bundled game poking it's head back on the charts... And Guitar Hero III...

But what I find most interesting is the fact that "Game Party" (which came out back in DECEMBER) is not only in the top 20, but that it actually moved up 5 slots from March to April...
*ponders*

[BreakABone]

Originally Posted by DeathsHand

Two of the Wii games are Nintendo's hot new games, one is the follow-up, of sorts, to Wii Sports, another is the system's best-selling non-bundled game poking it's head back on the charts... And Guitar Hero III...

But what I find most interesting is the fact that "Game Party" (which came out back in DECEMBER) is not only in the top 20, but that it actually moved up 5 slots from March to April...
*ponders*

Not quite sure what you are trying to say with this post.

[DeathsHand]

Originally Posted by BreakABone

Not quite sure what you are trying to say with this post.

The first half of that post was actually edited to replace what I had previously written there, which was "Well it has been a busy two months for Nintendo, with 2 big franchise releases"...
Which I guess was what I was saying... But that didn't comment on the other 4 Wii games in the top 20...

Wii Play and Game Party are both basically just (according to "the people") mediocre-terrible mini-game compilations in the vein of Wii Sports...
Maybe Game Party will one day have a spot on the top 20 list of bestselling Wii games, next to Carnival Games, with it's 1.7+ million sales...

So ultimately, in the face of another silly PS3 vs. 360 vs. Wii graphic, I was pointing out that the only surprise on that list is the fact that some of Wii's terrible games are actually selling, after all...

[Aladuf]

Originally Posted by DeathsHand

So ultimately, in the face of another silly PS3 vs. 360 vs. Wii graphic, I was pointing out that the only surprise on that list is the fact that some of Wii's terrible games are actually selling, after all...

What's surprising about that? People can't stop forking out the money for these piece of shit non-games.

Game Party's Metacritic score: 25

And yet this thing is on the Top 20, fucking pathetic.


Edit: And people wonder when 3rd party developers will ever put out a respectable game on the Wii. Why the hell should they? If you can scrap together a "gem" like Game Party and be on the Top 20 and actually be moving up it, why the hell would you ever worry about making a quality game?

[BreakABone]

Originally Posted by Aladuf

What's surprising about that? People can't stop forking out the money for these piece of shit non-games.

Game Party's Metacritic score: 25

And yet this thing is on the Top 20, fucking pathetic.


Edit: And people wonder when 3rd party developers will ever put out a respectable game on the Wii. Why the hell should they? If you can scrap together a "gem" like Game Party and be on the Top 20 and actually be moving up it, why the hell would you ever worry about making a quality game?

You damned if you do.
And damned if you don't if your Nintendo.

I won't defend GameParty. I've never played it. I don't plan on playing it.

But is there a chance.. a small small chance that people who buy it actually enjoy it?

I had a friend back in high school who swore up and down the high heavens that Superman 64 was an awesome game. He would come in everyday and tel us about the game. Now to the rest of us, this was a joke Superman 64 was an awful game or so I've been told. I've never played it and have no intentions to, but he did and he found some enjoyment in it.

The same could be said for GameParty or even the ton more of party games on the Wii.

And you complain about Game PArty selling well and its a reason developers shouldn't put real games on the Wii, but what other "real" 3rd party game came out in April that deserved to sell? You can't look at an arguement one-sided and make a conclusion. One game sold well, but there were no real comparable games for you to show sold poorly.

Also, I believe game party was only released in March not Dec I could be mistaken.

And also I think this is the game, I knew people who were interested in it because it had a version of beer pong. Take that as you will.

[Aladuf]

Originally Posted by BreakABone

And you complain about Game PArty selling well and its a reason developers shouldn't put real games on the Wii, but what other "real" 3rd party game came out in April that deserved to sell? You can't look at an arguement one-sided and make a conclusion. One game sold well, but there were no real comparable games for you to show sold poorly.

Okami Wii. Sure it's just ANOTHER PS2 port on the Wii but it's a superior game to Game Party in every way. And it's not a non-game so that's always a plus in my book.

[BreakABone]

Originally Posted by Aladuf

Okami Wii. Sure it's just ANOTHER PS2 port on the Wii but it's a superior game to Game Party in every way. And it's not a non-game so that's always a plus in my book.

Yeah, it's a Ps2 port and figured it would be the one you mentioned, but hell it didn't sell well the first time around.

And also since you love throwing the term around Game Party isn't a non-game its a party game there is a difference.