Nintendo: Arrogance or something else?

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by Xantar

What's that? Oh, a rehash of the same conversation we've been having for the past four years? Wake me up if somebody says anything new.

Sleep Beiber, sleep.

they're selling the current ones like hotcakes. Probably better than hotcakes, actually. Also, no, most people don't need extra storage. Geeks and otaku probably make up a larger percentage of those that do need more.

I'd say storage is a nice thing. With PS3 or 360 I can put my music on there, and sub it into certain games in place of the terrible music in the game. Its not a deal breaker or anything, it's just a nice bonus feature, to be able to use your console as sort of an 'everything box'.

Also:

Most of the consumers don't give a damn about online games, either.

I highly disagree with this, solely based on the immense success of online gaming. Nothing more really needs to be said. If you want to see a modern day revolt, take away the online capability from everyone.

[uber_paddler]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

I highly disagree with this, solely based on the immense success of online gaming. Nothing more really needs to be said. If you want to see a modern day revolt, take away the online capability from everyone.

I should, perhaps, have been more specific there. I was speaking purely of the Wii audience when I said that. Online gaming is, in general, awesome. I enjoy the hell out of it. I don't think most of the people who buy a Wii care about it at all, though.

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by uber_paddler

I should, perhaps, have been more specific there. I was speaking purely of the Wii audience when I said that. Online gaming is, in general, awesome. I enjoy the hell out of it. I don't think most of the people who buy a Wii care about it at all, though.

Oh, okay.
Touche.
Thanks for clearing that up, because if you're solely talking about Wii people, then I completely agree.

[KillerGremlin]

...and Xantar takes a whiff of his own fart while adjusting his monocle.

Bravo.

[thatmariolover]

Originally Posted by KillerGremlin

...and Xantar takes a whiff of his own fart while adjusting his monocle.

Bravo.

Well, to him this argument has been beaten to death, so I can hardly blame him. To us, GT has only recently started having conversations and debates again. I think we stopped talking about stuff because we assumed we knew how everybody felt about most things. But the truth is, we're all getting older and our opinions are clearly changing as well. And Nintendo has said a lot more in recent years now that they've been put on the pedestal.

Regardless, that picture is enormously satisfying all by itself.

Originally Posted by Xantar

Maybe this thread is different in some hair splittingly minor way from all the other kvetching about Nintendo, but I don't really see it. And I don't care if you're on the "other" side. I've never assumed you're on any "side" at all. Nor should you assume I'm on any particular "side" either.

Look, you know I like and respect you. But I'm telling you honestly that I don't see any difference between this thread and about a dozen other threads all over GT and the Internet. And it's not that I agree or disagree with anything you're saying. It's just that I don't see anything new here. Nor do I see any potential for anybody here to say anything I couldn't have predicted them saying. I've read everything so far and see no reason to continue.

So this time you have quotes? So what? Corporate PR often sounds like jackassery. Not to mention it's often outright lies. Remember that time Nintendo claimed they weren't lowering thr price of the GameCube about three days before they lowered the price of the GameCube? As Moogle pointed out, public statements are worthless.

So once I cut out all the PR lying, I'm left with the same old complaints about Nintendo not having an online system, not using HD, being unnecessarily restrictive and so on. And it's not that they're wrong. They're just the exact same thing we've been talking about for four years. Explain to me why I should bother continuing.

Don't continue the conversation if you don't want to participate. Start one you do want to participate in. I'm not offended at all. But I want to be convinced I'm either wrong, or that there's a really good reason for disagreeing. If this is the way they're conducting business, what do you want to change? Is it a Japanese business ego? Is it just cultural differences? Is it money? What is it? Regardless, your opinion is neither unanticipated or ill received. I apparently just want to hear it one more time.